Showing posts with label The Joy Luck Club. Show all posts
Showing posts with label The Joy Luck Club. Show all posts

Monday, November 10, 2025

CBBC Week Five: The Joy Luck Club Wrap-Up

Past discussions:
Week One: Part I
Week Two: Part II
Week Three: Part III
Week Four: Part IV

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What were your overall thoughts on this book? 

Here's what I think:
  • The POVs were too similar so it was impossible to keep the characters straight. The fact that the POV changed in every chapter made it even worse. 
  • I didn't want to spend time in this world. The people were mean, the subject was heavy, and I was just not interested in being there.
  • I thought this book was graphic and gross. It wasn't just the food descriptions, although that didn't help.
  • The writing was both elliptical and unclear and also heavy handed at times. There were times she was sort of oblique about what was going on (see: the watermelon scene and the two sentence abortion mention in "Waiting Between the Trees") and other times when her use of imagery and metaphor hit you over the head. I don't know. I didn't love the writing style. 
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Pop culture:

There's a 1993 movie starring Tsai Chin, Kieu Chinh, Lisa Lu, France Nuyen, Rosalind Chao, Lauren Tom, Tamlyn Tomita, and Ming-Na Wen. I've heard of none of these people. I bet no one is shocked to learn that I have not watched the movie, but the plot seems to follow the the book fairly closely. A few differences:
  • In the movie, Lena and Harold get divorced and Lena has a new relationship.
  • Rose and Ted get back together in the movie.
Has anyone seen the movie? 
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TJLC questions to ponder:

1) Which of the characters did you identify with the most? Why?

2) While the book has been critically received positively for the most part, there are some criticisms that the book leans into stereotypical portrayals of Asian men and some aspects of parenthood. Do you think this book challenges stereotypes or leans into them?

3) I hate to keep harping on the structure of this book, but why do you think Tan structured it this way using parables as framing devices for each section? What would have changed if the book had been told chronologically or through back-to-back chapters featuring mother and daughters?

4) What does the book tell us about American culture? About American immigrant culture? 

5) In the first chapter, June discusses her mother's take on the elements that make people:
Each person is made of five elements, she told me.
Too much fire and you have a bad temper. ..
Too little wood and you bent too quickly to listen to other people's ideas...
Too much water and you flowed in too many directions...

How do you think these elements are used to establish personality traits in the rest of the book? 

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Most iconic line poll:


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That's a wrap on 2025 CBBC! Thanks for joining and participating. 

Monday, November 03, 2025

CBBC Week Four: The Joy Luck Club, Part IV

Past discussions:
Week One: Part I
Week Two: Part II
Week Three: Part III


Welcome to Week Four of Cool Bloggers Book Club (CBBC) for The Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan. This week we'll be discussion Part IV. 

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What happened in these chapters?

We begin with a nonsense parable.

Then it's back to An-mei (her mother cut off part of her arm!) and she tells a story about how her mother was the fourth wife of a rich man after being widowed. The second wife gave An-mei a pearl necklace, but it was fake. The second wife was unable to have a child, so when An-mei's mother did give birth, the second wife took the child and raised it as her own. And Rose gets ignored for the rest of the book.

We next switch to Ying-Ying and hear her side of the story about breaking the vase. She does a flashback in which we learn about her past with an arranged marriage to a man who abused and cheated on her. Many years later she married an American and it wasn't until many years later that she told him about her life in China. (Poor Ying-Ying.)

Waverly Tells Lindo that she will blend in so well with the Chinese on her honeymoon that she won’t be allowed to return to America. When Lindo replies that the Chinese will know Waverly is American before she even opens her mouth, Waverly is disappointed. Lindo remembers her early days in the United States, working in a fortune cookie company and meeting Waverly's father and having two sons - Winston (wins ton) and Vincent (win cent). There's a thing about how both Lindo and Waverly have crooked noses and Lindo urges Waverly to get it fixed, but Waverly likes how it makes them look devious.

We finish with June going to China with her father. He reunites with family. She learns about how her mother stuffed her half-sisters shirts with jewelry and money and wrote their names on the back of photos with a message asking their rescuer to care for the babies and bring them to her address when safe again. Unfortunately, their rescuers were never able to find her mother. She meets her half-sisters and they greet her joyfully.

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Hat mentions (why hats?):

small brown felt hat ("Magpies")

tucked into this hat ("Magpies")

foreign men in hats ("Magpies")

I see cat. I see rat. I see hat. ("Double Face")

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Lines of note:

Wearing those clothes, I felt as if I had grown new hands and feet and I would now have to learn to walk in a new way. ("Magpies")

"She makes clouds with one hand, rain with the other." ("Magpies")

I was far more pretty than my daughter, who has country feet and a large nose like her father's. ("Waiting Between the Trees")

When my daughter looks at me, she sees a small old lady. That is because she sees only with her outside eyes. She has no chuming, no inside knowing of things. If she had chuming, she would see a tiger lady. And she would have careful fear. ("Waiting Between the Trees")

She learned these things, but I couldn't teach her about Chinese character. How to obey parents and listen to your mother's mind. How not to show your own thoughts, to put your feelings behind your face so you can take advantage of hidden opportunities. Why easy things are not worth pursuing. How to know your own worth and polish it, never flashing it around like a cheap ring. Why Chinese thinking is best. ("Double Face")

I walked up this hill and then I saw a tall building. This was Old St. Mary's. Under the church sing, in  handwritten Chinese characters, someone had added: "A Chinese Ceremony to Save Ghosts from Spiritual Unrest 7 A.M. and 8:30 A.M." I memorized this information in case the authorities asked me where I worshipped my religion. And then I saw another sign across the street. It was painted on the outside of a short building. And I thought to myself, This is where American people worship. ("Double Face")

...I think about all the different ways we leave people in this world. Cheerily waving good-bye to some at airports, knowing we'll never see each other again. Leaving others on the side of the road, hoping that we will.  ("A Pair of Tickets")

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Things I looked up:

famous Shantung sing-song girl ("Magpies") - Sing-song girls, also known as flower girls, is an English-language term for the high class prostitutes in China during the 19th century

The whole watermelon scene in "Waiting Between the Trees." - Turns out kai gwa is a euphemism for taking her virginity. Once I figured this out, it made more sense and the whole scene was even worse to read. 

soups served out of a carved winter melon ("A Pair of Tickets") - Is this a thing?

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Questions to ponder:

1) Please explain the parable to me.

2) The novel begins with the mothers, includes two parts on the daughters, and returns to the mothers in the last part. Why do you think it's structured this way? Why do you think the book has Suyuan die so that her part of the story is told from June's perspective?

3) There are so many heartbreaking birth/childhood stories in this book - Ying-Ying's dead baby, Bing's death, Suyuan's abandoned daughters, An-mei's stolen child - what purpose does this serve in the theme of the mother and daughter relationships? 

4) How much of the communication breakdowns between the women and their daughters was because of culture? How much was generational?

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Last week's homework:

What was your theme last week? Did you pick it up when you were reading?

My theme was color and I think the biggest example of it was white, particularly in "Magpies."

And when I opened that box, all my shame, my fears, they fell away. Inside was a new starch-white dress. It had ruffles at the collar and along the sleeves and six tiers of ruffles for a skirt. The box also contained white stocking, white leather shoes, and an enormous white hair bow, already shaped and ready to be fastened on with two loose ties. 

Later on in the chapter: I looked down at my own white dress covered with grass stains and I felt ashamed.

The white stands for the symbolism of the child An-mei here. She has no idea what she's stepping into by going to her mother's home. Her mother as the fourth wife, bringing shame on to her family. And then the grass stain is her mother's shame. 

There are also the white pearls that the second wife gives An-mei, which we soon learn are fake glass. 

It was interesting to see the parallels here between An-mei and her mother as the story progressed. 

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Upcoming CBBC schedule:

November 10: Wrap up!

Monday, October 27, 2025

CBBC Week Three: The Joy Luck Club, Part III

Past discussions:
Week One, Part I
Week Two, Part II


Welcome to Week Three of Cool Bloggers Book Club (CBBC) for The Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan. This week we'll be discussion Part III. 

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What happened in these chapters?

We begin with another parable in which a mother visits her daughter's new home, but doesn't like that there is a mirror at the foot of the bed because happiness will deflect away. The mother has a second mirror and the mirrors now reflect at each other bringing "peach-blossom luck" and both women see the daughter's future child in the mirror.

Lena and her husband Harold split all of their expenses equally. Harold started his own business with Lena's support, but Harold does not promote her because he doesn't want to look like he's favoring his wife. When Ying-ying comes to visit, she notes the list of expenses that Lena and Harold keep on their fridge and Ying-ying says Lena should not pay for the ice cream since Lena will never eat it. Ying-ying knocks over a vase that was on a wobbly table Harold had made in his student days.

Waverly is meeting Lindo for lunch and she remembers how after their fight in the street, Lindo no longer polished Waverly's trophies or cut out the notices in the papers about her victories. Waverly's confidence ebbs and she gives up chess. Waverly's first marriage ends in divorce and now she's going to marry a man named Rich, who she thinks her mother hates.  It turns out this is a misunderstanding and there is some consideration of Waverly postponing her wedding so they can do their honeymoon in China. Maybe Lindo will go with them?

Rose finds divorce papers and a ten thousand dollar check in the mail from Ted. She ignores the papers for weeks until Ted calls to find out what's going on. He tells Rose that he wants the house because he now plans to marry someone else. Rose laughs and tells him to come to the house to pick up his papers. When he arrives, Rose gives him the papers still unsigned and announces that she will not be leaving the house. She refuses to allow him to uproot her and throw her away.

A few months before her death, Suyuan cooked a crab dinner for ten people to celebrate the Chinese New Year. Suyuan and June went to Chinatown to buy crabs. While the two women were choosing crabs, the leg of one of the crabs became detached, and the grocer demanded that Suyuan pay for the creature. Suyuan bought eleven instead of ten, stating that the damaged crab would be extra. The people at the party all pick the best crabs until there are only two left - Jing-mei tried to take the defective crab, but Suyuan insisted she take the better one. Suyuan then sniffed her crab, and took it into the kitchen to throw it away.

Waverly is terrible to June telling her she's going to get AIDS from her gay hairstylist and that work she did for Waverly's company is not good enough to use. Suyuan gave June a jade pendant, telling her that it was her “life’s importance.” She advised June not to listen to Waverly, whose words always “move sideways” like a crab, and explained that June could and should move in a different direction. 

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Diane's used copy of the book that she snagged at a library sale for $1!

Last week's homework:

Was anyone able to strike up a conversation with an immigrant about cultural relationships in their family? What did you learn?

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Lines of note:

I had been talking to too many people, my friends, everybody it seems, except Ted. To each person I told a different story. Yet each version was true, I was certain of it, at least the moment that I told it. ("Without Wood")

I guess this is one justification for lying.

My mother once told me why I was so confused all the time. She said I was without wood. Born without wood so that I listened to too many people. ("Without Wood")

I know someone like this. She always calls lots of people to find out their opinions on things before making up her own mind. It's kind of crazy that she doesn't have opinions on her own life. 

Over the years, I learned to choose from the best opinions. Chinese people had Chinese opinions. American people had American opinions. And in almost every case, the American version was much better. 

It was only later that I discovered there was a serious flow with the American version. There were too many choices, so it was easy to get confused and pick the wrong thing. ("Without Wood")

I've talked about it many times on this blog how dumbfounded I am by the selection of PopTarts, cereal, and coffee creamer at the store. And don't get me started on the car shopping thing.

Then, one by one, she grabbed the crabs by their back, hoisted them out of the sink and shook them dry and awake. The crabs flexed their legs in midair between sink and stove. She stacked the crabs in a multileveled steamer that sat over two burners on the stove, put a lid on top, and lit the burners. ("Best Quality")

Gross. 

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Things I looked up:

"A psyche-atricks will only make you hulihudu, make you see heimongmong." ("Without Wood") 

Hulihudu is a Chinese word that means confused, vague, or muddle-headed; describes a state of being lost. Heimongmong a Chinese term that translates to "dark fog," representing a state of confusion, vagueness, and a lack of clarity, often associated with a feeling of being lost (emotional fog). 

Hymn number 335 ("Without Wood") - I don't know. Seems like #335 can be a lot of different hymns based on sect and hymnal used. *shrug* 

Steuben crystal strawberry ("Without Wood") - Exactly what it sounds like!

For the low, low price of $1400 on Ruby Lane.

Color of jade having to do with quality ("Best Quality") - High-quality jade color is judged by intensity, evenness, and saturation, with the most valuable being a deep, vibrant, and consistently distributed green, known as Imperial Jade. Other factors include high translucency, which allows light to penetrate, and a pure, even texture. There are colors of jade other than green that can also be valuable. 

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Questions to ponder:

1) What's with the parables at the beginning of each section? Do you find them useful as framing devices?

2) Why is Tan so insistent on graphic depictions of food preparation? 

3) Why is Waverly so terrible? That's a real question. She seems like she has a good life - a child she's happy to have, a new significant other, loving parents, a good career, no money worries - and yet she's terrible to everyone in her life. Why?

4) How do you think this is going to wrap up? Is June going to meet her Chinese siblings? Is Waverly going to get knocked down a peg? Is Rose going to be able to stay in her house?

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Homework for you:

Pick a theme before you read the next passages - weather, color, food, animals, etc. - and note it when you find in in the book. What is the importance of that theme in context of the book?

I'm going to pick color as my theme and when it comes up, I'm going to analyze it!

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Upcoming CBBC schedule:

November 3: Part IV - Queen Mother of the Western Skies
November 10: Wrap up!

Monday, October 20, 2025

CBBC Week Two: The Joy Luck Club, Part II

Past discussions:
Week One: Part I


Welcome to Week Two of Cool Bloggers Book Club (CBBC) for The Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan. This week we'll be discussing Part II, "The Twenty-Six Malignant Gates." 

Suz was the firs to send in a photo. Confetti for Suz!

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What happened in these chapters?

This part begins with a parable about a mother not allowing her daughter to ride her bicycle out of sight. The mother says it is a warning in a book called The Twenty-Six Malignant Gates, but the book is in Chinese, so the girl cannot read it. When the girl hurries to get away from her mother, she falls. 

Then we move on to follow Waverly Jong, who is Lindo's daughter. After Waverly's brother gets a chess set for Christmas, Waverly becomes a chess prodigy. Lindo brags about Waverly and takes credit for her success. This culminates in a scene in which Waverly yells at Lindo in the middle of the street and the family freeze Waverly out.

The next chapter is told from Lena St. Clair's perspective. Lena is the daughter of Ying-Ying (she who fell off a boat) and her English-Irish father. Ying-Ying never learns English very well and her husband talks for her a lot. When her father gets a promotion, the St. Clairs move to the North Beach neighborhood where Lena hears the girl next door, Teresa, fighting with her mother all the time. Ying-Ying delivers a baby who dies immediately and then Ying-Ying sinks into depression. Lena comforts herself that at least things are better for her than Teresa, but that is later proven false when she heard Teresa and her mother "laughing and crying, crying and laughing, shouting with love." ("The Voice from the Wall")

Allison has two copies.

Rose is An-Mei Hsu's daughter (she who sliced off part of her arm to feed to her own mother). Rose is getting a divorce from her husband and is nervous to tell An-Mei. Then Rose tells a story from her childhood in which the family went to the beach where she was supposed to watch her younger brother Bing, but Bing drowns. The family cannot find his body, so Rose and her mother go back to the beach the next day to no avail.

Lastly, we go back to Jing-Mei Woo (June), whose story of her mother's fleeing from China without her children was recounted in the first chapter. June and her mother want June to be a prodigy, but she's just not. Suyuan wanted June to learn to play piano and June went along with it, but she was not really trying because her piano teacher was deaf. At a performance before all of Suyuan's friends from the Joy Luck Club, June absolutely bombs. "Waverly looked at me and shrugged her shoulders. 'You aren't a genius like me,' she said matter-of-factly. ("Two Kinds") Suyuan and June have a fight when Suyuan wants June to continue piano lessons when June says "I wish I were dead! Like them," referring to her Suyuan's daughters in China. 

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Nance, Ernie, and Lisa all have the same copy. 
Hat mentions (why hats?):

Winston and Vincent decided they were more interested in roaming the streets afterschool in their Hopalong Cassidy cowboy hats. ("Rules of the Game")

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Lines of note:

Inside, the butchers with their blood-stained white smocks deftly gutted the fish while customers cried out their orders and shouted, "Give me your freshest," to which the butchers always protested, "All are freshest." On less crowded market days, we would inspect the crates of live frogs and crabs which we were warned not to poke, boxes of dried cuttlefish, and row upon row of iced prawns, squid, and slippery fish. The sanddabs made me shiver each time; their eyes lay on one flattened side and reminded me of my mother's story of a careless girl who ran into a crowded street and was crushed by a cab. ("Rules of the Game")

Seriously, this book has such repulsive passages in it. 

Seventeen years ago she was chagrined when I started dating Ted...Ted and I met in a politics of ecology class when he leaned over and offered to pay me two dollars for the last week's notes. I refused the money and accepted a cup of coffee instead. This was during my second semester at UC Berkeley, where I had enrolled as a liberal arts major and later changed to fine arts. Ted was in his third year in pre-med, his choice, he told me, ever since he dissected a fetal pig in sixth grade. ("Half and Half")

I am married to a Ted (for seventeen years even) and we met in a political science program in grad school. If anything about this book is prophetic, I don't want anything to do with this divorce future. 

mbmom11 and her cat Espurr and Birchie and Doggo are reading along.

We used to discuss some of these matters, but we both knew the question would boil down to my saying, "Ted, you decide." After a while, there were no more discussions. Ted simply decided. ("Half and Half")

I feel this is my soul. Neither of is is really a good decision-maker (hence why we've been test driving cars for literal months and still haven't bought one - remember when Sarah and her husband bought a new car on the spur of the moment? - that does not go down in our house and if someone asks a question and the other person shrugs or says I don't know/care, it can set off a true marital conflict. (Wait...is this book prophetic? I want NOTHING to do with it.)

And although my father was a not a fisherman but a pharmacist's assistant who had once been a doctor in China, he believed in his nengkan, his ability to do anything he put his mind to. My mother believed she had nengkan to cook anything my father had a mind to catch. It was this belief in their nengkan that had brought my parents to America. It had enabled them to have seven children and buy a house in the Sunset district with very little money. It had given them the confidence to believe their luck would never run out, that God was on their side, that the house gods only had benevolent things to report...("Half and Half")

I am not even sure I'm capable of truly being responsible enough for the care of a dog and a cat and people think they can raise children and be successful in countries where the majority of people speak a different language than you. And, I mean, to be fair, many immigrants are successful people! I just can't imagine the confidence. 

Jacquie's reading in Japan and J's in California. 

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Things I looked up:

sanddab ("Rules of the Game") - fish also known as the soft flounder, mottle sanddab, or megrim, it has a sweet tasting meat, but savory skin

By Frank Schoonover - Delaware Art Museumfrom “The Fight at Buckskin,” by Clarence Edward Mulford, in Outing Magazine, December 1905, Delart, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=6055688

Hopalong Cassidy ("Rules of the Game") - Originally a character developed in the early 1900s by author Clarence E. Mulford, who wrote Cassidy as a rude, dangerous man who had been shot in the leg during a gun fight, which is how he developed the Hopalong nickname. From the 1930s through the 1950s, actor William Boyd played Cassidy in a series of films and children-oriented radio and television programs. Boyd's portrayal of Cassidy was much more squeaky clean and had little relation to Mulford's original character.

By Employee(s) of Paramount Pictures - http://www.doctormacro.com/Movie%20Summaries/E/Eagle%27s%20Brood,%20The.htm, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=28279699

Devil's Slide ("Half and Half") - a coastal promontory in California, United States. It lies on the San Mateo County coast between Pacifica and Montara. Its name comes from the rocky edges prone to slope failure. I mostly looked this up because I wanted to see photos of the beach.

Devil's Slide (far left) with the southern portal of the Tom Lantos Tunnels (far right) under construction in late 2010. Note the steeply eroded cliffs immediately above and below Highway 1.

The Twenty-Six Malignant Gates (all of it) - this is a fictional book created by Amy Tan for The Joy Luck Club - I will admit that I was uncertain if it was fiction or not when I looked it up. 

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Questions to ponder:

1. There is a stereotype about Asian immigrant parents pushing their children. Waverly and June represent two ends of the spectrum - Waverly is a successful chess prodigy and June doesn't even really try with the piano. What do you think will be the result for each of them as they age? 

2. I have a question about what is going on with the names of Rose's brothers. They are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Bing. Now, I'm a heathen, but even I know the four Gospel writers are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (to be completely transparent, I had to ask my husband for the term Gospel). The assumption I made reading this book was that An-mei lost her faith the day Bing died, but the naming him Bing sort of presumes that it happened before this. Is Bing a nickname? What am I missing? 

3. The last line of "The Rules of the Game" is "I closed my eyes and pondered my next move." What do you think Waverly's next move will be?

4. Poor Ying-Ying. I don't know if I have a real question here, but if this were an IRL book club, I'd want to spend a lot of time talking about how hard her life is. She can't communicate well with her husband, she has this terrible stillbirth and no one to talk to about it or maybe it was just a different time when people didn't know much about postpartum depression. What a difficult life for this woman.

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Homework for you:

If you're comfortable, ask a first- or second-generation immigrant about their relationship with their parents. Was there cultural miscommunication? Were they close with their parents? 

If you don't know anyone who you would feel comfortable asking these types of questions, do you have book recommendations that explore this parental theme in immigrant families?

(If you didn't send a book photo in this week and you want to send one in for next week, please do so.)

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Upcoming CBBC schedule:

October 27: Part III - American Translation
November 3: Part IV - Queen Mother of the Western Skies
November 10: Wrap up!

Monday, October 13, 2025

CBBC Week One: The Joy Luck Club, Part I


Welcome to the first week of the Cool Bloggers Book Club (CBBC) where we will be discussing The Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan! CBBC makes it sound like this is some exclusive club, but anyone can join, blogger or not. You're already cool if you're here. I'm happy you are here and making this journey with all of us. As always, the ground rules for CBBC are:

1) Don't apologize. Don't apologize for having a lot or a little to say in the comments. Don't apologize because you're not an expert on something. Don't apologize because you don't have a doctorate in English literature. Don't apologize if you fall behind or can't keep up. Have fun and say what you have to say. You and your thoughts are important.(If you need more information on this, see my post on Foster's How To Read Literature Like a Professor.)

2) Feel free to come back and respond to comments more than once! I love it when there's a dialogue in the comments.

3) Have fun reading, thinking about the book, and discussing it! Don't feel limited to my discussion prompts - talk about whatever you feel like talking about.

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Who is Amy Tam?

Amy Tan is an American author best known for writing her debut novel The Joy Luck Club, a 1989 book that was later adapted into a 1993 film. She is the second of three children born to Chinese immigrants John and Daisy Tan. Her father was an electrical engineer and Baptist minister who traveled to the United States, in order to escape the chaos of the Chinese Civil War. When she was fifteen, her father and older brother, Peter, both died of brain tumors within six months of each other.

Her mother Daisy subsequently moved Amy and her younger brother, John Jr, to Switzerland. During this period, Amy learned about her mother's previous marriage to another man in China, of their four children (a son who died as a toddler and three daughters). She also learned how her mother left those children in Shanghai, which is an integral part of the story of The Joy Luck Club

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What happened in these chapters?

In the first section, "Feathers From A Thousand Li Away," each chapter focuses on one of four women who make up the Joy Luck Club, a club formed in China under Japanese occupation that was revived when the women met again in San Francisco. 

The first chapter is told from the perspective of Jing-Mei Woo, whose late mother Suyuan Woo has recently died. Jing-Mei has taken the place of her mother in the Joy Luck Club and she recounts the story of how her mother Suyuan was forced to flee from her home in Kweilin and abandon her children. Suyuan later found out that her first husband died. After that she married June's father and immigrated to the United States where June was born. June learns from the other female members of the Joy Luck Club that her half-sisters are alive. They ask June to go to China and meet her sisters, and tell them about Suyuan's death.

The next three chapters finish the section with a childhood tale from each of the founding women in The Joy Luck Club. 

An-Mei Hsu's story relates how she was raised by her maternal grandmother. Her mother returns only to cut off "a piece of meat" from "the softest part of her arm" ("Scar") (!!) to cook a soup in hopes of healing An-Mei's grandmother, though An-Mei's grandmother still dies.

Lindo Jong explains how a matchmaker connected her with her future husband when she was an infant. This match led to a loveless marriage. Lindo was continually pressured by her mother-in-law's desire for Lindo to produce grandchildren , even though Lindo's husband was not holding up his end of the bargain to make that happen. Lindo lies in such a way as to annul her marriage and she emigrates to the United States.

Lastly, Ying-Ying St. Clair tells the story of how she fell into a lake on a family boat ride during the Moon Festival when she was four. She's a spoiled little girl with a hovering nanny, but she wants to play like the boys. After being rescued by a group of professional fisherpeople, she realizes that she is lost. The fisherpeople DROP HER OFF ONSHORE and Ying-Ying wanders into an outdoor performance featuring the Moon Lady, who is supposed to grant unspoken wishes. But when Ying-Ying approaches the Moon Lady after the play to wish to be returned to her family, she discovers the Moon Lady is played by a man. 

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Hat mentions (why hats?):

None.

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Things I looked up:

Second Sino-Japanese war ("The Joy Luck Club") - Suyuan flees China as a young woman when Japanese forces invade the city of Kweilin. This reflects actual historical events in the Second Sino-Japanese War, which was fought between 1937 and 1945. During the eight-year war (which overlapped with World War II), Japan aggressively attacked mainland China, hoping to expand the Japanese empire onto the Asian continent. Over twenty million Chinese citizens were killed or displaced during the ground invasions. Japan succeeded in capturing many major Chinese cities, including Shanghai and Nanjing, until it became involved in World War II in 1941, fighting against the United States and other Allied countries. Japan surrendered to Allied forces in 1945, after the United States dropped two atomic bombs on the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing millions of Japanese citizens. As part of the surrender agreement, China regained all its seized land in 1946.

tl;dr - Imperial Japan invaded China, killing lots of innocent civilians in the process. (I felt a wave a familiarity when I realized Pachinko was a similar book about a Japanese invasion.)

Basic geography of China (where is Kweilin as related to Shanghai?) ("The Joy Luck Club")


Kuomintang ("The Joy Luck Club") - a Chinese political party that ruled mainland China from 1927 to 1949 prior to its relocation to Taiwan as a result of the Chinese Civil War

rules of mahjong ("The Joy Luck Club") - Ha ha ha. I'll link to the Wikipedia page. I got confused about three sentences in. I'm a simple lady who likes my games to be simple. 

The Moon Festival ("The Moon Lady") - This is a harvest festival. On this day, the Chinese believe that the moon is at its fullest and brightest, coinciding with the time of harvest in the middle of autumn. 

Mama's aunt...who still plucked her forehead bald ("The Moon Lady") - During the Middle Ages, a high forehead was deemed especially beautiful, and women and girls not naturally endowed with this characteristic plucked their foreheads (sometimes burning the follicles with hot pins to keep them from regrowing) to achieve the almost baby-like bald forehead.

So mama's aunt was still doing this in the 1900s? That seems...weird. 

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Lines of notes:

That is the way it is with a wound. The wound begins to close in on itself, to protect what is hurting so much. And once it is closed, you no longer see what is underneath, what started the pain. ("Scar")

This is how a daughter honors her mother. It is shou so deep it is in  your bones. The pain of the flesh is nothing. The pain you must forget. Because sometimes that is the only way to remember what is in your bones. You must peel off your skin, and that of your mother, and her mother before her. Until there is nothing. No scar, no skin, no flesh. ("Scar")

I watched as she took out a sharp, thin knife and began to slice open the fish bellies, pulling out the red slippery insides and throwing them over her shoulder into the lake. I saw her scrape off the fish scales, which flew into the air like shards of glass. And then there were two chickens that no longer gurgled after their heads were chopped off. And a big snapping turtle that stretched out its neck to bite a stick and - whuck! - off fell its head. And dark masses of thin freshwater eels, swimming furiously in a pot. Then the woman carried everything...("The Moon Lady")

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Questions to ponder:

1) Was anyone else sort of grossed out by this book? Eating human flesh? The bird abuse in "The Moon Lady" and that vivid description of preparing the food just above? I was not expecting to gag so much reading this book. 

2) I think we can already tell from the first chapter that a big theme of this book is going to be about difficult mother/daughter relationships. Do you have any predictions about what's going to happen? Is Jing-Mei going to meet her half-sisters? Will they accept her? I also suspect there will be a lot in here about identity (Chinese? American? Chinese-American?) and difficulties between multiple generations of immigrant families. 

3) I feel I have given short shrift to Lindo's chapter "The Red Candle." What does the candle represent? Do you think it was ethical for Lindo to essentially weasel out of her marriage by making up a symbolically rich dream that indicated bad outcomes for her in-laws or do you think it was a smart thing to do for her to save herself?

4) "See my sisters, tell them about my mother," I say, nodding. "What will I say? What can I tell them about my mother? I don't know anything. She was my mother." 

This is a paragraph from the first chapter. What is Jing-Mei trying to tell her aunties here? What do you think it's foreshadowing about what's to come? To what extent do you think it's true that daughters can never really know their mothers?

5) Does anyone else read these books and realize that your knowledge of world history is abysmal? 

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Homework for you: How are you reading this book? Paperback, ebook, audiobook? Where are you reading it? If you have a photo of your book (maybe in the cozy chair where you read!) you'd like to share with the rest of the group, send it in and I'll make a collage for next week.  Deadline for sending it in to make next week's post is 10/19 by noon central. dominique100 @ hotmail dot com

I'm listening to an audiobook and referencing a paper copy I got from the library. 


"The symbol on the book is for Tan. Penguin Drop Caps is a series of twenty-six hardcover editions of fine works of literature, each featuring on its cover a specially commissioned illustrated letter of the the alphabet by Jessica Hische." 

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Upcoming CBBC schedule:

October 20: Part II - The Twenty-Six Malignant Gates
October 27: Part III - American Translation
November 3: Part IV - Queen Mother of the Western Skies
November 10: Wrap up!

Thursday, September 25, 2025

CBBC Fall 2025: The Vote Is In!



The vote was super close.

Forms response chart. Question title: Rank the following choices from your first (most preferred choice) to third (least preferred choice). . Number of responses: .

The Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan won by TWO POINTS over I Who Have Never Known Men. So that's what we're going to be reading. Thank you to everyone who voted - it was fun watching all the votes come in!

This one isn't in the public domain, so place your library holds now. Mine came in in less than twenty-four hours, so I'm hoping that your library is as fast and efficient as mine was. 

Here's the schedule as I see it. I'm going to give everyone a couple of weeks to find the book and then we'll start on our usual Monday schedule.

October 13: Part I - Feathers From A Thousand Li Away

October 20: Part II - The Twenty-Six Malignant Gates

October 27: Part III - American Translation

November 3: Part IV - Queen Mother of the Western Skies

November 10: Wrap up!

This gives you between 70-90 pages a week to read, which is a little more than I might normally do for CBBC, but the book is divided into four parts, so who am I to fight destiny?

Thanks once again to all who voted! Who's in for this round of CBBC?