Monday, October 20, 2025

CBBC Week Two: The Joy Luck Club, Part II

Past discussions:
Week One: Part I


Welcome to Week Two of Cool Bloggers Book Club (CBBC) for The Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan. This week we'll be discussing Part II, "The Twenty-Six Malignant Gates." 

Suz was the firs to send in a photo. Confetti for Suz!

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What happened in these chapters?

This part begins with a parable about a mother not allowing her daughter to ride her bicycle out of sight. The mother says it is a warning in a book called The Twenty-Six Malignant Gates, but the book is in Chinese, so the girl cannot read it. When the girl hurries to get away from her mother, she falls. 

Then we move on to follow Waverly Jong, who is Lindo's daughter. After Waverly's brother gets a chess set for Christmas, Waverly becomes a chess prodigy. Lindo brags about Waverly and takes credit for her success. This culminates in a scene in which Waverly yells at Lindo in the middle of the street and the family freeze Waverly out.

The next chapter is told from Lena St. Clair's perspective. Lena is the daughter of Ying-Ying (she who fell off a boat) and her English-Irish father. Ying-Ying never learns English very well and her husband talks for her a lot. When her father gets a promotion, the St. Clairs move to the North Beach neighborhood where Lena hears the girl next door, Teresa, fighting with her mother all the time. Ying-Ying delivers a baby who dies immediately and then Ying-Ying sinks into depression. Lena comforts herself that at least things are better for her than Teresa, but that is later proven false when she heard Teresa and her mother "laughing and crying, crying and laughing, shouting with love." ("The Voice from the Wall")

Allison has two copies.

Rose is An-Mei Hsu's daughter (she who sliced off part of her arm to feed to her own mother). Rose is getting a divorce from her husband and is nervous to tell An-Mei. Then Rose tells a story from her childhood in which the family went to the beach where she was supposed to watch her younger brother Bing, but Bing drowns. The family cannot find his body, so Rose and her mother go back to the beach the next day to no avail.

Lastly, we go back to Jing-Mei Woo (June), whose story of her mother's fleeing from China without her children was recounted in the first chapter. June and her mother want June to be a prodigy, but she's just not. Suyuan wanted June to learn to play piano and June went along with it, but she was not really trying because her piano teacher was deaf. At a performance before all of Suyuan's friends from the Joy Luck Club, June absolutely bombs. "Waverly looked at me and shrugged her shoulders. 'You aren't a genius like me,' she said matter-of-factly. ("Two Kinds") Suyuan and June have a fight when Suyuan wants June to continue piano lessons when June says "I wish I were dead! Like them," referring to her Suyuan's daughters in China. 

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Nance, Ernie, and Lisa all have the same copy. 
Hat mentions (why hats?):

Winston and Vincent decided they were more interested in roaming the streets afterschool in their Hopalong Cassidy cowboy hats. ("Rules of the Game")

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Lines of note:

Inside, the butchers with their blood-stained white smocks deftly gutted the fish while customers cried out their orders and shouted, "Give me your freshest," to which the butchers always protested, "All are freshest." On less crowded market days, we would inspect the crates of live frogs and crabs which we were warned not to poke, boxes of dried cuttlefish, and row upon row of iced prawns, squid, and slippery fish. The sanddabs made me shiver each time; their eyes lay on one flattened side and reminded me of my mother's story of a careless girl who ran into a crowded street and was crushed by a cab. ("Rules of the Game")

Seriously, this book has such repulsive passages in it. 

Seventeen years ago she was chagrined when I started dating Ted...Ted and I met in a politics of ecology class when he leaned over and offered to pay me two dollars for the last week's notes. I refused the money and accepted a cup of coffee instead. This was during my second semester at UC Berkeley, where I had enrolled as a liberal arts major and later changed to fine arts. Ted was in his third year in pre-med, his choice, he told me, ever since he dissected a fetal pig in sixth grade. ("Half and Half")

I am married to a Ted (for seventeen years even) and we met in a political science program in grad school. If anything about this book is prophetic, I don't want anything to do with this divorce future. 

mbmom11 and her cat Espurr and Birchie and Doggo are reading along.

We used to discuss some of these matters, but we both knew the question would boil down to my saying, "Ted, you decide." After a while, there were no more discussions. Ted simply decided. ("Half and Half")

I feel this is my soul. Neither of is is really a good decision-maker (hence why we've been test driving cars for literal months and still haven't bought one - remember when Sarah and her husband bought a new car on the spur of the moment? - that does not go down in our house and if someone asks a question and the other person shrugs or says I don't know/care, it can set off a true marital conflict. (Wait...is this book prophetic? I want NOTHING to do with it.)

And although my father was a not a fisherman but a pharmacist's assistant who had once been a doctor in China, he believed in his nengkan, his ability to do anything he put his mind to. My mother believed she had nengkan to cook anything my father had a mind to catch. It was this belief in their nengkan that had brought my parents to America. It had enabled them to have seven children and buy a house in the Sunset district with very little money. It had given them the confidence to believe their luck would never run out, that God was on their side, that the house gods only had benevolent things to report...("Half and Half")

I am not even sure I'm capable of truly being responsible enough for the care of a dog and a cat and people think they can raise children and be successful in countries where the majority of people speak a different language than you. And, I mean, to be fair, many immigrants are successful people! I just can't imagine the confidence. 

Jacquie's reading in Japan and J's in California. 

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Things I looked up:

sanddab ("Rules of the Game") - fish also known as the soft flounder, mottle sanddab, or megrim, it has a sweet tasting meat, but savory skin

By Frank Schoonover - Delaware Art Museumfrom “The Fight at Buckskin,” by Clarence Edward Mulford, in Outing Magazine, December 1905, Delart, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=6055688

Hopalong Cassidy ("Rules of the Game") - Originally a character developed in the early 1900s by author Clarence E. Mulford, who wrote Cassidy as a rude, dangerous man who had been shot in the leg during a gun fight, which is how he developed the Hopalong nickname. From the 1930s through the 1950s, actor William Boyd played Cassidy in a series of films and children-oriented radio and television programs. Boyd's portrayal of Cassidy was much more squeaky clean and had little relation to Mulford's original character.

By Employee(s) of Paramount Pictures - http://www.doctormacro.com/Movie%20Summaries/E/Eagle%27s%20Brood,%20The.htm, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=28279699

Devil's Slide ("Half and Half") - a coastal promontory in California, United States. It lies on the San Mateo County coast between Pacifica and Montara. Its name comes from the rocky edges prone to slope failure. I mostly looked this up because I wanted to see photos of the beach.

Devil's Slide (far left) with the southern portal of the Tom Lantos Tunnels (far right) under construction in late 2010. Note the steeply eroded cliffs immediately above and below Highway 1.

The Twenty-Six Malignant Gates (all of it) - this is a fictional book created by Amy Tan for The Joy Luck Club - I will admit that I was uncertain if it was fiction or not when I looked it up. 

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Questions to ponder:

1. There is a stereotype about Asian immigrant parents pushing their children. Waverly and June represent two ends of the spectrum - Waverly is a successful chess prodigy and June doesn't even really try with the piano. What do you think will be the result for each of them as they age? 

2. I have a question about what is going on with the names of Rose's brothers. They are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Bing. Now, I'm a heathen, but even I know the four Gospel writers are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (to be completely transparent, I had to ask my husband for the term Gospel). The assumption I made reading this book was that An-mei lost her faith the day Bing died, but the naming him Bing sort of presumes that it happened before this. Is Bing a nickname? What am I missing? 

3. The last line of "The Rules of the Game" is "I closed my eyes and pondered my next move." What do you think Waverly's next move will be?

4. Poor Ying-Ying. I don't know if I have a real question here, but if this were an IRL book club, I'd want to spend a lot of time talking about how hard her life is. She can't communicate well with her husband, she has this terrible stillbirth and no one to talk to about it or maybe it was just a different time when people didn't know much about postpartum depression. What a difficult life for this woman.

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Homework for you:

If you're comfortable, ask a first- or second-generation immigrant about their relationship with their parents. Was there cultural miscommunication? Were they close with their parents? 

If you don't know anyone who you would feel comfortable asking these types of questions, do you have book recommendations that explore this parental theme in immigrant families?

(If you didn't send a book photo in this week and you want to send one in for next week, please do so.)

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Upcoming CBBC schedule:

October 27: Part III - American Translation
November 3: Part IV - Queen Mother of the Western Skies
November 10: Wrap up!

18 comments:

  1. I didn't comment last week but now I am all caught up! Birchie and I were discussing last week how awful the content is, but how "soothing" the writing is. It's such a disconnect for me to say "I loved these chapters" when so many HORRIBLE things happened in them. And yet, I did. I love seeing these mothers and their experiences through their daughters' eyes and I find the sort of matter-of-fact depiction of their losses to be very steadying. There is something beautiful and raw about being so clear-eyed when it comes to loss.

    My favorite book about the immigrant experience is Jhumpa Lahiri's The Namesake. The writing is fantastic, and it was fascinating to read about how a person can feel like an outsider in so many ways -- in one's family, in one's country, in one's space straddling separate traditions/languages/expectations. I should go reread that one, it was wonderful.

    (THIS BOOK IS NOT PROPHETIC.)

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    1. Reading this book made me remember how much I love Amy Tan's writing!

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    2. I have to admit I am *shocked face* by all this delight in Tan's writing (and calling it *soothing*). This would have been a DNF for me if I weren't doing it for CBBC. I won't list my grievances here - I'm saving it for the wrap up! - but I honestly can't imagine reading this voluntarily. Ha!

      I've never read The Namesake, but maybe I'll seek it out!

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    3. I liked The Namesake, but my poor son had to read it in high school and I agreed with him it was a terrible choice for him. There were a couple that baffled me.

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  2. "The Twenty-Six Malignant Gates" has always reminded me of Edward Gorey's "The Gashlycrumb Tinies." I've wondered if Amy Tan took inspiration from that!

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    1. It's interesting because I think Gorey's is less disturbing than Tan's writing. His is sort of witty and obviously satirical and Tan's does not seem satirical at all!

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  3. mbmom1110/20/2025

    I do not like the daughters except Lena at all. Waverly stinks, June is lame, and Rose should have watched her brother. Lena at least comes to realization about her mother and their relationships. Again a compelling read even though I didn't really like the characters.

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    1. Yeah, I agree. Frankly, I don't want to spend time with any of the characters we've been introduced to so far.

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  4. Our present car was purchased in a hurry after our previous one got totalled in an accident. Insurance would only grant us limited time with a rental, and we had to get back to town, and then we had to drive into the city to shop for a vehicle.

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    1. Ugh. I would hate to have a strict timeline. We are happy to keep driving our clunker around for another year or two if we have to.

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  5. I'll send you photos of my books this week- yes, I said "books" because I have a copy from the library and also bought one at a used bookstore on my trip so I could get my chapters read on time! I have to admit I was not excited to pick this up again (I also got some good mysteries that were calling to me) but then got engrossed as soon as I started reading.
    Again- so many SAD THINGS, arrrrg! I mean, even the chapters where nothing really, really terrible things happen are still sad. I felt bad for Waverly and June- the expectations placed on them and how they dealt with that. I did have to laugh at June having a deaf piano teacher, which allowed her to slack off and play poorly. Yes, it's a stereotype that Asian parents push their children, and this book seems to bear that out. But I see that with lots of American families- it's not good enough to just have a regular kid. They have to play sports at a high level (I have a client who pays for two baseball-related lessons a week for her son- he has a pitching coach and a hitting coach, in addition to the regular practices) or be winning science fairs, or taking all AP classes, in addition to having a job (where they can show that they've been promoted at some point- that looks good to colleges). It's especially sad in this book though because although I'm sure the mothers love their daughters, there's not a lot of loving moments between them, just bragging or criticizing.
    I have two coworkers who are Chinese- I'm trying to decide if I would feel comfortable asking them about this. One of them, I think so. If I can find a moment this week I'll talk to her!

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    1. that's a really good point about American (and Canadian) sports parents.

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    2. I definitely see the sports thing in some of my inlaws (just Midwestern folks who have been in the US for a few generations). Hitting coaches, expensive travel teams. There's a lot of pressure on those kids and I don't know if they're having fun. Maybe they are. I don't ask about it because I don't want to place MORE pressure on them.

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  6. This book is not prophetic, her Ted is a snob from a racist snobby family. The end. (Played by Andrew McCarthy, aka ‘Blain’ in Pretty and Pink’ in the movie adaption of Joy Luck Club, which I remember as being very good. Now really the end.

    This book and the death of children. It breaks my heart. When I warned that this book would break hearts, that is what I’m talking about. UGH. I also wondered about Bing, is his real name John? We heathens have QUESTIONS.

    My MIL is first generation US citizen, she left Guyana as an adult in her 20s with 3 children. They lived in Canada for a bit, which is where my Ted was born, and then came to California when he was 1. Her parents were abusive shitheads. Married her to a man she didn’t love (or know well) because they wanted a doctor in the family. Had definite favorites among the many kids, and she was not one of them. Told her she was ugly as sin, though she went on to become a fashion model in San Francisco. Ted’s relationship with his mother (him not being from Guyana, as his siblings were) is very close. She drives him nuts, but I’m not sure how much of that is the immigrant experience and how much is just parents and kids. I take that back, I suspect a lot of it is cultural. Growing up in a British colony, that colonialist mindset is definitely present. And it definitely is not present here. I think this would deserve a longer conversation, and should be with Ted and not me. Too bad it’s not a IRL book club, we could meet and my house and bring him in as a guest speaker. Or just give him a glass of bourbon and ask him, he’s an open book and very gregarious.

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    1. Am I remembering incorrectly? I thought Ted was from a racist family but told them off when they were racist to (can't remember her name). He was upset because she lost herself and started deferring to him, when he had loved that she spoke up. And then they don't get divorced because she finds her spirit again? Is that not what happens? Am I delusional?

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  7. Commenting before i read the whole post just to get it out - I remember parts from this section as if I had read them yesterday. Matthew Mark Luke and Bing? Broke my heart all over again. June's mom being desperate for her to be a prodigy, and how wretched that was for both of them? Ughghghghgh.
    It may be less confidence than necessity that gives the immigrant families the impetus to raise families in foreign countries? My husband always says that he has so much respect for the new Canadians who show up at skating and hockey because dammit, their kids are going to do Canadian stuff.
    I thought with Matthew Mark Luke and Bing maybe the parents were naming their kids 'good christian names" but by the time they had Bing felt more secure and wanting a more Asian name? I don't know, but I loved the series of names.
    I'm not sure I know anyone to ask the question. I will ponder and comment again if I think of someone. I think Waverly and June would both have pretty major issues based on their childhood and their prodigiousness or lack thereof. And my heart also broke for Ying Ying, and her daughter.

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  8. So many Teds!

    I wonder if the philosophy of the nengkan has something to do with the way/reason why Asian parents motivate their kids. I found a more complete meaning online that makes it a little clearer to me:

    *It implies a strong belief in oneself and the capacity to overcome challenges. While "neng" (能) can generally mean "able" or "can," the addition of "kan" (堪) emphasizes being able to endure and be capable, making it a powerful concept of resilience and possibility. *

    Waverly had a great deal of natural ability. She could see moves in her head; she could even see an entire game play out after a single move. She wanted the challenge. June, however, didn't have the resilience or endurance. Whatever natural ability she had was clouded by her sense of rebellion and laissez faire attitude. She had bigger issues to combat and resolve. I wonder if Waverly will eventually be confounded by something she can't plan out in her life, and I wonder if June will live with a sense of overarching failure and fear of disappointing others.

    I, too, feel so sad for Ying-Ying, always having someone speak for her and misinterpret her words and emotions. It would be so frustrating and maddening, especially when her feelings are much deeper and more complex than just "tired" or whatever superficial gladhanded adjective her husband assigns them.

    Sometimes I wonder if all the scary and negative stories that these kids are raised with aren't just borne of the parents' own fears of their new surroundings. My dad was first generation American, born of Croatian immigrants. He had a tough childhood. He's gone now, but he didn't share too much with us. A lot of what we know came from what he told my mom and from my aunts. His mother wanted to be completely American; his dad was much older and struggled with English, yet his mother forbid Croatian to be spoken in the house. She lost twin sons some time after my dad was born. Her response was to become sort of a party girl. As a result, my dad was very close to his father and resented his mother, who favoured his brother anyway. We found out sometime later that my uncle was the result of an affair with a priest, which may have been the reason they came to the US in the first place.

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    1. I've wondered the same thing - if parents are just so desperate for their kids to be at home and successful in the strange place they've come to that it makes them harsh and unbending. It has to be such a huge displacing event that it's really understandable that it comes out in the parenting. How unfortunate for both the parent and the child, though.

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