Monday, August 12, 2024

Week Two: I Capture the Castle CBBC

Past discussions:
Week One, Chapters 1-5

Welcome to Week Two of Cool Bloggers Book Club (CBBC) for I Capture the Castle by Dodie Smith. This week we'll be discussing chapters 6-10.

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What happened in these chapters?

The entire family goes to Scoatney for dinner, although there's an awkward moment where Thomas and Stephen were spying and having to get invited into the house. There's some concern about how they're all going to be dressed appropriately, but they figure it all out. Cassandra is struggling with her feelings about Stephen. Mrs. Fox-Cotton offers to photograph Stephen; Neil gives Thomas a ham. Father keeps going to London with no explanation. Simon sends Cassandra chocolate and a new journal after Cassandra lets him try to read from her journal. Father invites the Cottons to dinner - they don't have food or furniture - and Topaz gets upset, but they figure it out. Culminates when Simon proposes to Rose, she makes him shave his beard off (!), and Neil is upset and calls Rose a gold digger.

J's copy of the book, complete with her bookmark of deadlines.

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Hat mentions (why hats?):

Neil didn't - he winked at me once and said: "Your sister'll be wearing that drink as a hat any minute." (Chapter 9, page 151)

Nicole (and Rex) show of her copy of the book.

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Lines of note:

"...I tried to buy one of his lions but he wouldn't sell."
"What did you want a lion for?" I asked.
"Oh, they were kind of cute," he said vaguely. (Chapter 7, page 98)
This exchange made me laugh so hard.

Yesterday was the first of May. I love the special days of the year - St. Valentine's, Hallowe'en; Midsummer Eve most of all. A May Day that feels as it sounds is rare and, when I leaned out of the bedroom window watching the moat ruffled into sparkles by a warm breeze, I was as happy as I have ever been in my life. I knew it was going to be a lucky day. (Chapter 9, page 136)
Last week Diane talked about how while this family has no money, they have a lot of leisure time. I guess we all have that balance - when I was out of work, I didn't have money, but I had time to do things that were important to me. I wonder if that's why Cassandra can be so happy about things when their lives are clearly Very Hard. 

"Well, he wasn't with Mrs. Cotton, anyway," I said, "because he was at the British Museum."
"As if that proves anything," said Topaz, gloomily. "People do nothing but use it for assignations - I met him there myself once, in the mummy room." (Chapter 9, page 157)
Another moment that made me laugh. The mummy room is sooo sexy. 

Jacquie shows off her book. I've never seen that cover before!

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Things I looked up:

larch wood (Chapter 7, page 107) - larches are a particular type of deciduous conifer

"Ah, but you're the insidious type - Jane Eyre with a touch of Becky Sharp." (Chapter 8, page 111) - I know who Jane Eyre is, but I had to look up Becky Sharp. According to Wikipedia, Rebecca "Becky" Sharp, later describing herself as Rebecca, Lady Crawley, is the main protagonist of William Makepeace Thackeray's 1847–48 novel Vanity Fair. She is presented as a cynical social climber who uses her charms to fascinate and seduce upper-class men. 

"And Cassandra's a Reynolds, of course - the little girl with the mousetrap." (Chapter 8, page 121) - Girl with a Mousetrap by Joshua Reynolds, oil on canvas

burnous (Chapter 8, page 128) - a long, loose hooded cloak worn by Arabs

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Questions to ponder (as always, feel free to answer as many or few of these as you'd like - talk about what you want to talk about!):

For those of you who are new to this book, what do you think is about to happen?

I'm interested in the role of art in this book. There are lots of mentions of books, some fictional (Jacob Wrestling), some real (Jane Eyre, Vanity Fair, Home Chat, Pride and Prejudice), as well as mention of artists and art. Do you think this is a statement about economic class or is this an indication of how much all people of the time would have been aware of art? 

"Doesn't he attract you at all? At your age I couldn't have resisted him for a minute - not looks like that. And it's more than looks, of course."
"Oh, I know he has a splendid character," I said.
"That wasn't when I meant," said Topaz, laughing. 
What did she mean? Is it just that Stephen is so into Cassandra? I feel like I was missing something here.

What do you think is the real relationship between the Cotton brothers like? They didn't grow up together, but they do seem to get along. What is the dynamic really like, do you suppose?

What's your scavenger hunt word for next week?

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Homework for you:

Scavenger hunt! I want you all to pick a word that you're going to look for in next week's reading. I do this with the word "hat." Pick a common word and see how often it appears in the text - e.g., dog, orange, skirt, table, vault, etc. - and then report back next week. Bonus points if you tell us in the comments this week what your word will be. I, obviously, will be looking for the word hat.

My library copy of the book. I was visiting my mother at my sister's house over the weekend and this is my sister's seven-month-old pomsky puppy Rocket. He made reading challenging. 

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Upcoming CBBC schedule:

August 19: Chapters 11-14
August 26: Chapters 15-16
September 2: Wrap-up

40 comments:

  1. Topaz was such an interesting character for me, and that exchange between her and Cassandra with regards to Stephen cracked me up. Methinks she has been around the block? No judgement here, but I did enjoy their interactions. The mousetrap painting, doesn't that really give a picture of Cassandra's personality! I don't know if it's a class thing or not but I do know a lot of books written in the decades prior to this really referenced other works of art or literature. Louisa May Alcott, for example, did it a lot, there were so many literary/ art references in all her books. That was more 1860s and this seems to be 1940s but still, maybe it was a thing?
    I can't participate in the scavenger hunt as I had to take my copy back to the library. There were other hold requests for it!

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    1. Yeah, I don't understand the Jane Eyre + mousetrap girl as a description of Cassandra, but maybe I'm just missing the point. I think I miss a fair number of points.

      There's an Archive version of the book if you want to participate in the scavenger hunt. There's even a search function that makes it a bit easier! https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.5223

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  2. My library book copy of ICTC has the same cover as Jacquie's! Clearly I need to send a photo of my book with Muffin.
    Diane's observation is interesting. Yes, these people are desperately poor, but they're not slaving away at terrible jobs. Except for not having quite enough to eat, they really don't have a bad life.
    I love all the references to other books. I like how a fictional book (Jacob Wrestling) is such a part of the story. I think people back then were much more aware of art than people are nowadays, but I'm sure it also has to do with class. On the subject of books, I love Cassandra's description of Topaz trying to discuss War and Peace: "'Ah, it's the overlying dimensions that are so wonderful. I tried to paint it once, on a circular canvas'- and then she couldn't remember who Natasha was."
    I'm always fascinated by books from this time period (and earlier.) A girls' greatest hope was to get married, but what did marriage really mean for them? What was it like? I like how Cassandra questions it.
    I have to admit that I'm still playing catchup on these chapters after getting behind during my trip. Right now what I would LIKE to happen is that Cassandra realizes that Stephen has hidden depths and intelligence, and they fall in love. I mean- the poor guy! First he's an unpaid servant, and now he's actually working to bring in money for the family. I don't want to see him get his heart broken.

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    1. Yeah, I'm never sure why you don't show of your cats more, Jenny! They're there to be used as props!!

      I liked how Diane reframed it so that having time is the key to this family's existence. I mean, I think if I were hungry all the time, I'd relish NOT having free time, but maybe you'd get used to being hungry?

      Poor Stephen. He really does seem to be getting the shaft. They put him in a dark, dank room with no furniture and he really is treated like garbage. I wonder how much his life would be different if his mother had lived.

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    2. I keep wondering... if you are hungry and you have so much free time and obvioulsy huge grounds... wouldnt you start growing something? I dont get it to be honest. We are talking about the 1940... Right after World War I. People have been starving and knew how to hepl themsleves... Is it arrogance? I really cant grasp that part.

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    3. Huh. Maybe they can't afford the seeds? Or don't have the know-how and/or basic gardening implements? This a fair question, Tobia!

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  3. You got a taste of Puppy Life! Doing anything with a puppy around is very challenging. Doggo was Rocket's age when we were reading MBF, and she thought that my kindle was a chew toy. Now at 13 months she's willing to snuggle in bed next to me while I read ICTC and it's a lot easier to focus.

    So what's going to happen? Let's see, Cassandra could end up with Neil, she could end up with Stephen, maybe Simon and Rose will break up and there's a massive partner swap, maybe Cassandra will reject all the men and write and live happily ever after...we'll just have to stay tuned. For the art question, I think that we're hearing about all of these other books as an homage, and I wonder if the story is inspired by/paralleling/imitating other books. You know, the two poor sisters in the castle who meet the two rich brothers.

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    1. Two days cemented for me that I am not Puppy Mom material. I was very patient with Rocket, but only because I knew I would be leaving him with his real parents. He is very snuggly and sweet, but, you know, also a ton of energy.

      Partner swap!! It's very incestuous in your version!

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    2. I am fearing a partner swap but there is some forshadowing... no? I like your though about Cassandra ditching marriage and man all together and becoming an independent woman and author.

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  4. I downloaded the audiobook and listened to a couple hours of it and could not for the life of me connect with the story! (It might be because the audiobook I was listening to is performed sort of like a play, with multiple actors voicing the different characters?) And then I read your first CBBC post and barely recognized the story - the book you described is SO different from the one I was listening to, I double checked that I'd downloaded the correct thing. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that this book is not for me. :(

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    1. Oh, no! I can't believe it. I thought this one would be a winner for sure. Sorry, friend.

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    2. I started with that version too - and quickly realized it wasn't for me. But the "real" book version is available on Audible for free until the beginning of September, so I got that one. SO much better!

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    3. Oh, man! I wish Suzanne had learned this fact a couple of weeks ago!

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  5. I bought the book from Amazon, and it is the same yellow cover as Jacquie's. The cover of Julie and Nicole's could be from the series of Ferrante books. (I glanced at them and got the horrors LOL!)

    I wish we'd get more dialogue between Topaz and her husband. They are hilarious. Their exchange in the car on the way to Scoatney was ridiculous:

    Topaz: Look, Mortmain, look! Oh, don't you long to be an old, old man in a lamp-lit inn?"
    Father: Yes, particularly one with rheumatism. My dear, you're an ass."

    I love the character of Topaz and how flighty, yet kind, she is. The quote that Jenny pulled is fantastic of her "discussing" War and Peace.

    (Honestly, to those of you who are enjoying this book, please consider reading Cold Comfort Farm by Stella Gibbons. )

    I found it interesting that Neil labels Rose a gold-digger. Sad but true that so many marriages in the past were under those circumstances, and it was not a secret. It went both ways as well.

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    1. Nance, My library app is recommending Cold Comfort Farm by Stella Gibbons as well. I guess I just have to read it now :).

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    2. Ha ha ha! Those covers could be part of the Ferrante books. That's such a clever observation.

      Yeah, it was weird to read the accusation of golddigging. I mean, isn't that how women survived for the vast majority of human history? They couldn't work outside of the home or the professions that were available to them were limited. Weird.

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    3. Thanks for the recommendation Nance. I am enjoying this book so I see if I can get a copy somewhere.

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  6. Anything could happen at this point in the story, no? Why is Neil so mad about Rose and Simon? How nice is it that Simon and Cassandra can walk around quoting poetry to each other? (I wanted this in my life so bad!!)

    Topaz is a bit of a celeb--she gets recognized as being the subject of a painting in the National Portrait Gallery by one of the dinner guests. But I love how kind she is--including wanting to dress in unflattering ways so as to not overshadow Rose!

    I think Topaz does mean that Stephen has movie star looks and is very passionate about Cassandra. I mean, he's practically supporting her family because of his feelings for her...

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    1. Topaz being recognized was sooo interesting. Why doesn't she do more modeling to get money for the family? I know she doesn't like being in London, but...needs must, right?

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  7. I really enjoyed the conversation between Simon and Cassandra. They seemed to have such an easy rapport with one another. Almost better suited than Simon and Rose. I liked how Cassandra shared the differences in American/British terms - "He says "vacations", where we would say "holidays"; "guess" for "suppose" etc.

    It's funny to see Cassandra go from being "brisk" with Stephen, to being a bit jealous of his decision to visit Leda Fox-Cotton's photography studio.

    I wonder if the references to art in early books is due to the fact there was no television or movies? I remember attending one of the art gallery shows in town, and the synopsis at the start of an exhibition mentioned that the change from city to rural, country scenes was due to the fact that there was a surge in wealth during that time period, and families owned homes in both areas. Paintings reflect what is going on in society in the same way that movies and television does now.

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    1. Yes! I think that art is the thing everyone did, like we do tv/movies/internet. Such a fascinating look at the life people were leading. It feels like a fun clue about culture and what people prioritized.

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  8. I am loving this book - so totally different from what I expected! I have read ahead and had to remind myself of what this discussion focused on...so thanks for the recap, friend.
    I think that Simon will break up with Rose and end up with Cassandra. OR Cassandra will elope to America with Neil. OR Cassandra will break the mold for "typical" young women of that era and...gasp... go to college and remain a "spinster", LOL. I agree with others that references to art are because there were not many other sources of outside perspectives, if that makes sense. Books and art and peoples' opinions (SO much talking in this book, I would shrivel up) prompted conversation and - in Cassandra's case - introspection.
    No idea what word I shall look for. Hm. Ponder, ponder.
    Oh, and Topaz's comment re: Stephen sent my mind to the gutter so I shall leave it at that. ;)

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    1. I guess there wasn't a ton to do except work and talk, right? I guess you'd probably have been the person just reading instead of doing all the talking!

      But Topaz specifically said it wasn't about his looks, so what was it about? Honestly. I feel like an idiot for not understanding!

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    2. Maybe its about dedication? Responsibility? I have no clue. Wildly guessing.

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  9. My word shall be 'tooth'. 'Teeth' would also count. Why? Why not, is my answer to that question.

    I am really enjoying the book thus far, and if we look at it as a romance, I don't know WHAT I want to happen. I could see her happily getting together with Stephen, with Simon, with Neal. Perhaps she'll be a serial monogamist, and get with them all throughout her long, lusty life?

    If we look at it as more of a 'coming of age' book, perhaps she will not end up with any of them. Perhaps she will forge her own way, as a writer or something.

    I do love Topaz, and I loved Cassandra and Neal swimming in the moat. I'm sure the water is filthy. I too thought perhaps Topaz could be making more money modeling, but perhaps she has gotten too old for that? Or perhaps now that she's married, it's considered inappropriate?

    I forgot that the Cotton brothers were not raised together. And why is Neal so protective of Simon? Maybe he's jealous that as a second son, he won't have much to inherit? (One of my British ancestors was set to inherit NOTHING. His older brother got it all (I don't think there was a lot to begin with, but what there was was all going to the eldest.) When my ancestor worked and saved up money to buy himself a suit, his parents took it from him and gave it to his brother. So he left and moved to the US. That'll show 'em.

    What's the father doing in London all of the time? Is he going to get his mojo back and write another book? Is he having an affair? (I don't think an affair...I think he's joined a literary society or something.)

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    1. I was listening to a book last night and the word tooth came up! That's a really good word!!

      Hmmm...maybe it would be inappropriate for Topaz to still model. Or maybe she's just not in demand anymore now that she's getting older/isn't as visible since she's hiding in the country.

      I think the Neil/Simon relationship is the most fascinating one in the whole book. What would it be like to not grow up with a sibling, but then move across an ocean with them?!

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  10. I have to say, I was definitely "shipping" Cassandra and Simon but I don't know what the age difference is there and if that would be weird. But I also love the idea of Cassandra and Stephen together and she discovers his hidden depths (she did seem to get a case of the "jealousies" when Stephen was going to get photographed). I also tried to take a picture of Lila with my Kindle resting on her belly and she was very unhappy with me. I'll try again!

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    1. Yeah, I want Stephen to get out and find someone who will treat him better. I just think the whole Mortmain family is so rude to him! I mean, I know he's not related to them, but he essentially raised himself and I need him to realize there are people out there who will appreciate all his work and kindness.

      Ha ha. Lila refuses to be your prop!!

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    2. I am secretly hoping that Cassandra will see Stephans worth, ditch all the class thing and end up with him moving away because he has money to buy a farm... And maybe that is the real scandal in the book? I don't know...

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  11. I believe Topaz was insinuating that Stephen is HOT, but not using those terms. Funny how Cassandra shows a bit of jealousy with the photography part.
    I'm loving the book. I had to stop myself from moving forward because I tend to forget details. That being said, I don't remember ALL the details from these chapters, but I am enjoying it.
    I'm fairly certain that Suzanne 👆(not me, the other one) did not get the same book as the rest of us, I just know she would enjoy it.
    I had a hard time picturing Neil and Cassandra swimming in a cold mote at night; I mean I know I had an adventurous childhood, but that is a lot. Are there snakes? Ughhh.
    What is going on with the Father? He's a bizarre one.
    I also laughed when Topaz said she also met up with the Father in the Mummy room. I suppose romance was a lot different back in the day.
    Can you imagine being engaged to someone you've encountered four or five times in your life? I guess being poor and hungry is a good incentive to grab what you can and their choices and opportunities are slim.

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    1. But she specifically said it's not just his looks. So she doesn't mean that?

      I can't believe Suzanne doesn't love it, either. Oh, well. It's not for everyone, I guess.

      There was a scene (couple of scenes) when two characters in the television show Bones were getting down wherever they could in a museum-like place and they had a tryst in some room with a bed. I immediately thought of that scene with the mummy room quip.

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    2. I can so so not imagine marrying someone after four or five times. But I've seen it in my Mormon host sister. Met once or twice. Enganged. Than kissed. It blows my mind... On the other hand you decide and don't question your choice. Maybe at times there are to much choices and the feeling of missing out overpowers the happiness we could have.

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  12. So there is a Monty Python sketch in which a larch figures prominently. And for the longest time - because it is such a non sequitur moment, I thought a larch was a bird. And then just last year, I looked up what a larch was and things made a lot more sense. I mean as much as it can in Monty Python.
    I feel like the predictable answer to "What is going to happen?" is that Rose and Simon won't marry after all - leading to some somber growth for Rose - and Cassandra will go explore the world then come back to Stephen. Which if I were writing this book is probably what would happen because I'm unimaginative like that, so I'm interested to see where things are going to go.
    (Also - anyone else think of the playwright Neil Simon every time the brothers are mentioned together???)
    I feel like a well-educated person would be aware of art, literature, etc. And despite being currently poor, this family is well educated. Maybe this goes back to the leisure time thing - they clearly have time to read and write and contemplate life because they don't work. They seem to set great store by cultural literacy. I liked the bit where Cassandra makes a poem out of the noises and smells of the village (Chapter IX) - art is a luxury in a way, and they are not so poor (or of such a lower class) that they can not enjoy or appreciate art and expression.

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    1. Neil Simon the playwright, yes! Immediately!

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    2. I feel like I've looked up larch before. It's just not sticking. Maybe it will this time since I know it's not a bird now. :)

      Yeah, I feel like this book is leading us to think Cassandra will end up with Stephen, but I'm rooting for Stephen to get out of the Mortmain's lives. They are so mean and thoughtless to him!!

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  13. I have been only reading this book to catch up on our book club since I started late.
    Now I have two days to get on track. Fingers crossed.

    1) I am a first time reader and I dove into this book knowing nothing besides it is a book club book. So total blank slate here. I have been wondering if Neil is actually in love with Rose and therefore so „mean“ or as they they brisk with her. I am also not sure what is going on with Cassandra. I had a feeling she might be in love with Stephan. He obviously is. And I believe he is saving up to propose to her. I have a feeling however that Cassandra is falling for Neil and ends up in America.

    2) I think this mentioning of art is in one to show that while you are poor you can still be educated. And on the other hand while having nothing you still have the luxury to dwell in art. If you happen to come across books – which they do through Miss Macy and later the Cottons – it is their entertainment.

    I have to admit though that most of the mentioning I am not familiar with. I bet if I would the whole story would get another layer. I am sure Smith is giving more character by mentioning these people in her writing, painting a different picture or subtle note she is weaving into her writing. But I am too lazy to look it up. Mainly because I don’t have my phone with me to look it up and then I just keep going.

    3) Agree here. First I thought she was hinting towards sexual attraction but then I am not sure. Or maybe she is? Cassandra just doesn’t have a clue yet and therefore doesn’t understand that she could/should be attracted to him?

    The whole relationship with Stephan does make me a bit sad. The family tells he is like a brother but obviously he is a servant paying to live in the castle. He is paying for everything. He is the only one working. He lives in a closet. I don’t know why they all take him for granted and I also don’t understand why he ist still there.

    But also Thomas. He is part of the family but will not be invited for the dinner parties. I don’t know… I don’t et it.

    4) I keep wondering about the Cotton brothers too. At times it feels like they are not brothers and more like cousin. I actually wasn’t sure they are brother and wanted to ask because obviously I missed their introduction. So help me here. Simon is inheriting Scottney Hall as being the oldest. But why did Neil lost his father’s farm in California. Do they have different fathers? I am lost.

    5) Of course my scavenger hunt word will be shape. Ha. But I am also very interested in the word happy. I am very aware how often Cassandra is telling us readers that this was the happiest she ever felt. That she is happy for Rose. That this was a happy day. I love that she is so positive in all her being and seeing only the good things. Maybe that is also related to the „naive quote“ from Neils was it I think…. Very interesting.

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    1. Poor Stephen. I really hope he just leaves by the end of the book. Hopefully this modeling is a way out for him. The Mortmains treat him so poorly.

      My understanding of the Cotton brothers is that they both share the same parents, but their parents separated when the boys were young. Neil was raised in California by their English father. Simon grew up in New England with his mother. As the elder brother he is richer, because he's the heir to the Cotton fortune. I'm happy to take corrections of any of this.

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    2. I enjoyed reading your observations, Tobia!

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  14. I'm new to this story and I'm loving it so far! I'm listening to the audiobook and the narrator has a lovely English accent, which adds to the charm for me. At this point, I have no idea what's going to happen. But I sure do feel sorry for Stephen. They're all taking advantage of him. My opinions of the characters keep changing. At first, I thought the father was useless, but likeable, and I had hopes of him getting back to writing. Now I'm finding him frustrating. And at first, I thought Topaz was funny and a bit of a flake, and now I think she's a kind and stable influence for her stepdaughters.

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    1. Team Stephen for sure. Poor guy. I want him to get out of there!

      It's funny how the characters change and grow and our feelings change, too. I feel like it's very well done in this book.

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