I have a series of updates that I originally thought would be a good Five for Friday post, but that post got unwieldy and long. So I'm going to do shorter posts with updates and then resume my regular sporadic posting about books and nonsense.
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We have been test driving cars for months. On one hand, we're in a good position because it's not like our old Hyundai is actually out of commission. On the other hand, we'd like to actually make a decision before the snow falls. (NOTE: Snow fell last Saturday. We're already past our self-imposed deadline.)
Here's the situation. We technically have a two car garage, but only if those cars are pretty narrow. Right now we drive two compact cars and we're still squeezing in and out, so we can maybe extend the width of a new car by three or four inches, but then it's going to be super duper tight/impossible. We currently have a 2010 Hyundai Elantra that has served us well, but is on its last tires. We also have a 2019 VW Golf Sportwagen. We don't have his and her cars - we both drive the cars in equal amounts. The VW is basically for Hannah since she fits nicely in the back.
In 2019, when we bought our Sportwagen, I essentially fell in love with it from the test drive. If they still sold Sportwagens in the US, we'd just buy another one. Unfortunately, 80% of the market in this country - man do I wish I was buying a car in Europe - is pickups and SUVs. Sedans are a rarity and compact sedans are even rarer. And, honestly, there aren't any wagons sold in our price range anymore - if we want a wagon that isn't electric, we're looking at Audi ($45,000+), BMW ($100,000+), Mercedes ($76,000+), and Volvo ($70,000+). Would I love a Mercedes or Volvo wagon? YES. Is that price range appropriate for us? NO.
Wagons are great for our lifestyle. We can put the dog in the back and it's perfect for when we go on road trips and there's a place for us to put our cooler. But wagons are so expensive that we eventually settled on test driving the few remaining compact cars left on the market because, after all, we're replacing a sedan.
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The logistics of life are hard, too. We would ideally like to test drive these cars in the daylight. That leaves weekdays off the table since the sun has set by the time we get home from work these days. Most dealerships are only open on Saturdays on weekends. But our Saturdays are often filled with non-car shopping things. So, as you can imagine, this has made all of this a bit more protracted than is ideal.
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I want to fall in love with a car again. Or at least I want one of us to fall in love with a car again. Here's what we've test driven so far.
VW Jetta - Look, it's fine. It's a safe car. If someone put a Jetta in our garage right now, we'd be fine with that. But that's it. Just fine. Also, it doesn't come with a spare tire or floor mats and I was sort of annoyed by the nickel and diming situation.
Subaru Outback - This is an SUV crossover that sometimes gets called a wagon. In the 2026 model year, they're truly going to be an SUV because they are moving up its chassis size, so this might be our last chance if we want a Subaru, or frankly, anything close to a wagon in the future. But do we want one? It's big, barely able to fit in our garage. It accelerates like a dog and is no fun to drive. It's a little on the high side of our price range. It's FINE. The financing deals are great. It has all wheel drive. We also test drove a Legacy (sedan) and it was also fine. We *seem* like we should be Subaru people, but I don't know if we really are.
Honda - We test drove a Civic and an Accord. We test drove Hondas in 2019 when we brought the Sportwagen and I almost had a panic attack because I was so claustrophobic in them. Nothing has changed. Those cars are like caves. I know Honda has its fans, but I am not one of them. (We drive compact cars and I'm used to tight spaces. I was reeeeeally annoyed with the car salesperson who asked what I expected since we were looking at smaller cars. Well, Bob, I guess I was expecting you not to have your interior fabric in dark colors and the windows tinted so it seems like we're belowground.)
Hyundai - We test drove an Elantra (an updated version of our beloved Hyundai) and a Sonata. Frankly, the cars are ugly and look like they've already been in an accident with weird sharp juts and angles. There's a weird gearshift thing. They are fine to drive, but not very exciting. The warranty is very good.
Mazda 3 - I liked this car a lot more than my husband. It's zippy and fun. The financing deals aren't great and my husband thought the engine whined a bit more than he would like. The road noise bothered Dr. BB a lot, too. The warranty is shit. There is a 2026 model that has AWD and we might test drive that one, but then the price isn't as good because it's a new model year.
Toyota - We test drove a Prius. I refuse to tell you how excited I was about the Prius. I thought it was going to solve all our problems. The sightlines are sort of terrible. The regular rearview mirror has a very limited range, so you can turn on this newfangled camera thing and then you have a wider view, but it also made me nauseous. This one had a whine in the engine that irked me and the turn signals made a sound that was like nails on a chalkboard to me. I know that seems silly, but if I had to listen to that noise multiple times a day, I might not survive the drive.
Genesis 2025 G70 AWD - Are you familiar with Genesis? It's the Hyundai luxury brand. It comes with the Hyundai warranty and this one is deeply discounted, which is the only reason it's vaguely at the upper-end of our price range. My husband really likes this one and I'm pretty sure we'll probably end up getting it.
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What's next?
Well, the Genesis got sold, so that's off the table.
We're going to test drive an Outback with a better engine. My husband thinks that's what's going to make me fall in love with it.
We're going to test drive a 2026 AWD Mazda 3.
So the choice is probably the Outback and the Mazda 3. I'll be sure to let you know when and if we figure any of it out.
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Anyone want to just tell me what to do? Do you like car shopping? Do you make decisions a lot more quickly than we do?
I loathe car shopping. LOATHE. Everything about it is awful. I want someone to simply put a car in my garage and I will deal with it, instead of having to choose among 85,000 different tiny things that drive me nuts. The last time we got a car was in 2023, and all I wanted was to get my exact same Toyota but they didn't have one at the dealership and the "sales" person kind of shrugged and that was it -- no trying to show us something similar or even something wildly different. (I think that was back when cars were flying off the lots and so salespeople just didn't seem to care???) We ended up getting a Kia, and I like the vehicle just fine, but I HATE Kia; the whole system seems wildly inefficient to me, like when I needed a new windshield, for instance, I thought I could just call and make an appointment to get my windshield replaced. But then when I showed up for my appointment, and waited for over an hour, they informed me that I had failed to ORDER THE WINDSHIELD, which I thought was *their* job, or at least someone should have said, "Hey, you also need to order the windshield." There is no communication between their service and parts departments, it seems; it's all on the customer. I have had this same experience at two separate Kia dealerships, multiple times each, and clearly I am STILL SALTY ABOUT IT.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I empathize with you to the extreme, Engie. It's awful. I think the worst part is looking at all the options and having to decide. Once you make a choice, then I think it should be okay, right? Like, even if it's not a perfect vehicle, you'll probably get used to it, or maybe your husband will drive it more or whatever. But the process is awful. I hope the Outback or the Mazda turn out to be the exact right thing, or that whatever issues they have, they are negligible.
Ugh. I have to admit our VW dealership experience with maintenance on the Sportwagen has been amazing. The service and sales are in the same building and seem to communicate well. Maybe it's just your dealership? Or do you think it's the whole brand?
DeleteYou're absolutely right. I've said it about a dozen times to my husband that if someone just put one of these cars in our garage and it was ours, I would be fine with whatever. Maybe I wouldn't LOVE love it, but it would be fine. In the end, it will all work out.
I do NOT like car shopping and I am so glad we won't have to do it for a few years again (we always buy used).
ReplyDeleteWe had two Hyundai Sonata's and loved them but they've definitely changed the design in recent years (and the last one we had - a 2011 - had HORRIFIC sightlines).
My husband is responsible for car shopping and it took him months and months and months, so, NO, we do not make decisions quickly. Plus, car shopping is a big deal. They're expensive and there is a lot to consider. So I think it's normal to waffle on things.
All the best.
I do like to hear that it's not just us that makes this a months long process. Sheesh. But it IS a big (and expensive) decision.
DeleteI have a Subaru Outback and I LOVE it. I absolutely love it the way I have never loved a car before. Prior to this I had minivans, which I also loved but low-key. They were perfect for my lifestyle then. But I adore my Outback!
ReplyDeleteEveryone loves their Outback. I wish it had more zip. That my main gripe and maybe the bigger engine will give me what I want.
DeleteWhen it's a major purchase with no clear winner but also no immediate need to close the deal since your older car is still working==>I think it's totally fine to delay until you find Car Charming that wows both you and your husband.
ReplyDeleteI have a Mazda 3, which has been surprisingly good. We didn't choose this car specifically, it was my niece's car and after she moved to CHI she no longer needed it so she sold it and my husband snapped it up for a "fair to her/very reasonable for us" price. The car that I rented when I went to BC was a teeny tiny Prius and I liked it a lot.
I really liked the Mazda 3. It's expensive for what you get, though. I'm not getting a "niece's deal" on mine!
DeleteYou don't seem like you love any of your choices. What about a Toyota Camry or Corolla? I absolutely LOVE my Rav4. It's a big car (for me) but I also feel like it's zippy. I"ll be sad when it dies because I'll probably have to go back to a Corolla at that point (we only got the Rav4 to accommodate my son's tuba, which he doesn't even play anymore, plus he no longer lives at home, so...) But it's been a great car.
ReplyDeleteAfter the disappointment of the Prius, I refused to test drive any other Toyotas. The Camry is too big anyway. I was just disappointed and the newer models are all screens and buttons and honestly, I was just frustrated because I though the Prius was going to be the answer. Maybe I'll reconsider if the two current options don't work out.
DeleteI have a 2013 Mazda 3 hatchback that I love. It IS zippy and fun (my passengers have commented on it) and I love that the hatchback makes it so roomy. I know this car has evolved a lot over the years though, so I have no knowledge of the newer versions. But, another vote for Mazda!
ReplyDeleteHave you seen the 2025 Mazda 3 hatchbacks? The back window is the size of a postage stamp! They had one on the showroom floor and I sat in one and laughed and laughed because I could literally not see anything outside of the car if it weren't directly in front of it. LOL. It used to be such a great car, but some of their recent "upgrades" have not been awesome.
DeleteWe are in the middle of car shopping too, which doesn't excite me either, but our 2008 civic is nearing the end of its life, and it would be nice to have one bigger car since our Hyundai Ioniq (we really like this one!) is pretty compact too. I think we will likely get the Kia Sorrento, hopefully the Plug-In Hybrid version if one pops up on the used market soon.
ReplyDeleteThe Hyundai/Kia warranties are hard to beat, that's for sure.
DeleteCar shopping is horrid. It’s a mysterious process, and I always feel like they are out to fleece me. You could go to Consumer Reports if it still exists or something like that. The durability ratings there is what settled me on a Honda CRV. A car is just a means to an end for me.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't think we haven't looked at Consumer Reports, you don't know us very well. All of these cars are in the top ten for durability. The VW is a bit pricey on maintenance, but we haven't found that to be true for our current VW. Modern cars are all reliable, so there's hardly anything to separate one from the other.
DeleteWe needed a sedan for Edda (low to the ground so she can get in/out) and a wagon would have been perfect for us too as we need to fit a wheelchair in the back. Soooo hard to shop. If I picked between the Outback and the Mazda, I'd go with the Mazda for no particular reason. And I enjoy Honda Civics, but not really the Accord. And I'm sad they aren't in the electric market.
ReplyDeleteYES!! My SIL and her husband had a similar problem with trying to find a car that would work for my niece (she has CP) getting in and out AND fitting her walker in the back. They thought that a small SUV might be the answer, but it was too high for her to get in it. We are still not into the electric cars because we do a lot of road trips to visit family and the range is still not good enough for us. Maybe our next car.
DeleteI detest car shopping. I have very specific requirements, too, and I miss the way my former cars (Toyota Highlander Hybrid 2007 PERFECT CAR; 2020 Prius Hybrid) suited my every need. I miss that Highlander every single day. We'd still have it if that girl hadn't hit Rick head-on and totalled it. That would have also been the perfect car for you.
ReplyDeleteI can vouch for Toyota's incredible reliability. We've never had to do anything but routine maintenance on any of them, ever. The only reason we replaced the 2020 with a newer model was because of both of us being retired and looking to have a newer car and a plug-in.
Yeah, the Toyotas were not impressing me. I was so disappointed because I did think they were going to solve everything. The truth is that I drive fast and I like it to accelerate and the Toyota engines are all hybrid and they whine and are not nearly zippy enough. But I might have to reevaluate if our current choices don't work out.
DeleteOh, car shopping is awful! Hateful in all ways. I hope your search ends soon and well.
ReplyDeleteI used to have a Mazda 3, and liked the zippiness; I had what they called the 5-door, which was a wagon, Mazda, just call it a wagon. I got tired of being that low to the ground, though, so when it was time to replace it, I went with the 2012 Kia Soul, which I bought used, as I found it satisfactory and had several friends who vouched for it.
When I wanted to upgrade four years ago and get more recent safety features, I actually wrote to Car Talk for advice on whether I should just get a newer (still used) Soul or something else. He said that if I liked it, I should get another, but that they redesigned it in 2020 and there wasn't much reliability data on it yet, so look for a 2019. After a short wait, I was able to find one through CarMax, which I liked because they don't haggle, it's a set price. I'm no good with the haggling, so that worked for me!
Ha. We're looking to be low to the ground. I find jumping in and out of giant tall cars to be very hard with my bad leg. But I think the Sportwagen might be our last low to the ground car based on car trends in this country. Do you think it will ever rebound to smaller cars again or are we going to be stuck with ugly pickups everywhere forever?
DeleteI owned a Mazda 3 for five years and LOVED that car. I always described it as "zippy" too. I miss it so much! I only traded it in for my Kona (don't get me wrong; this is also a great vehicle) because I needed AWD once we moved to places where it snowed. I would do an AWD Mazda 3 in a heartbeat!
ReplyDeleteYeah, we've lived in Minneapolis and here for years and never had AWD. *shrug* I think it might be nice to have, but it's not necessary, especially since we live in town and I can just work from home if it's truly terrible and walk to the store to buy necessities. If we lived out of town, I might reevaluate that stance, although we would never live out of town because location was so important to us when we bought our house. ANYWAY. The AWD Mazda 3 is on the table. We'll see if my husband likes it.
DeleteBlech, car shopping. Disliking the process, I narrowed it down to a couple models using Consumer Reports info and picked a model after test driving a couple kinds. I got myself a Honda CRV Hybrid that drives so smoothly and quietly - though you said you aren't into Honda. Our family had a older Subaru Outback that was good for long-term reliability. We kept it for 14 years and put 200,000+ miles on it. I hit a deer in and amazingly the car did not get damaged! In the last couple years of ownership I had to put in some $ to maintain things (replace the heat shield and fix some under car bits with rust), but I figured that's the price of owning an older car that was otherwise paid off. Are you open to used cars? I like the look of the older Subaru models much better than the new supped up SUV tank style. My husband drives a Mazda 6, slightly bigger version than the 3. The car has been also very reliable for 10 years. The only thing with it these days is a lingering smell from when he left TWO gallons of MILK in it for a week. OMG.
ReplyDeleteI'm unwilling to put the work into used cars. Also, they're so expensive. For just a fraction of used car prices, I can get brand new with a warranty. We've looked briefly into used cars and it was going to be so much work especially since we're in a rural area. Anyway. Long story short. We are going to buy new.
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