Welcome to our first week of reading Convenience Store Woman by Sayaka Murata, translated from the Japanese by Ginny Tapley Takemori.
While this is called Cool Bloggers Book Club, you don't have to be a blogger or cool to participate, although anyone who does participate is automatically cool. I'm happy you are here and making this journey with all of us. As always, the ground rules for CBBC are:
1) Don't apologize. Don't apologize for having a lot or a little to say in the comments. Don't apologize because you're not an expert on something. Don't apologize because you don't have a doctorate in English literature. Don't apologize if you fall behind or can't keep up. Have fun and say what you have to say. You and your thoughts are important.
2) Feel free to come back and respond to comments more than once! I love it when there's a dialogue in the comments.
3) Have fun reading, thinking about the book, and discussing it! Don't feel limited to my discussion prompts - talk about whatever you feel like talking about.
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Who is Sayaka Murata?
Murata is a Japanese writer best known for the international bestseller Convenience Store Woman (2016) which has been translated into more than thirty languages worldwide. Murata has won many major literary prizes in Japan, including the Gunzo Prize for New Writers in 2003, the Noma Literary New Face Prize in 2009, the Mishima Yukio Prize in 2013, and the Akutagawa Prize for Convenience Store Woman in 2016. In addition to Convenience Store Woman, the novels Earthlings and Vanishing World, the short-story collection Life Ceremony, the short stories "Faith," "Survival," and "A Clean Marriage," as well as the New York Times published opinion piece "The Future of Sex Lives in All of Us" have all been published in English.
Murata was born in Japan in 1979. Her father was a judge and her mother was a housewife. Murata has said she did not have a happy childhood - "I was starved of love, and that my brain was numbed and anaesthetised. But I was able to play the role of a normal girl." She started writing stories at age 10. As a child, she often read science fiction and mystery novels borrowed from her brother and mother.
Murata worked part-time as a convenience store clerk in Tokyo for eighteen years until 2017. She has lived in Shinjuku, Tokyo since she was a student.
Murata's writing explores the different consequences of nonconformity in society for men and women, particularly with regard to gender roles, parenthood, and sex. Many of the themes and character backstories in her writing come from her daily observations as a part-time convenience store worker.
Murata often places challenging taboos at the forefront of her most popular works. Earthlings focuses on an 11-year-old girl named Natsuki, with her boyfriend and cousin, Yuu, who believe themselves to be aliens due to their tumultuous relationship with their family. The story quickly develops into a harsh tale containing themes of "sexual abuse, murder, and cannibalism." Murata believes that the more she writes about the questioning of these taboos, the closer she will come to the "real truth of things."
If you're want to read more about Murata, this Guardian article is full of revealing statements about her. Consider these two quotes:
Murata herself considers marriage to be “a kind of hostage situation” and motherhood “a curse” that would put an end to her life as a writer. Much of her writing involves imaginative attempts to resolve the biological fatalism of being female with humanity’s need to procreate. Her outlandish near-future fictional worlds are all rooted in the reality of Japan’s declining birth and marriage rates, an increase in young people choosing celibacy, not to mention deeply entrenched misogyny.
For many, Murata has become a left-field feminist icon. “Feminism is desperately needed in Japanese society today,” she says, describing “a hell soup” in which fathers have been given lenient sentences for raping their daughters and feminists receive death threats. “Some say that the worlds I write about are dystopian, but a lot of people think that actually reality is worse.”
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“I’ve been told by my doctor not to talk about this too much, but ever since I was a child, I’ve had 30 or 40 imaginary friends who live on a different star or planet with whom I have shared love and sexual experiences.”
I feel like I'd want to go see Muraka do a talk and a reading, but I wouldn't want to have dinner with her afterwards.
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What happened in these pages?
We meet Keiko Furukura here. She's never really felt like she fit in, like when she was a child and people wanted to bury a dead bird instead of her suggestion of eating it or how horrified people were when she brained a kid with a spade to stop a fight instead of going to get an adult to help. Her parents were good parents, but they didn't really know how to help Keiko. Eventually she developed her own coping strategies for dealing with a world she didn't understand.
...I decided to keep my mouth shut as best I could outside home. I would no longer do anything of my own accord, and would either just mimic what everyone else was doing, or simply follow instructions. (page 10)
"We've got quite similar tastes, haven't we? I like your bag too," Mrs. Izumi said with a smile.
It's only natural that my tastes would match hers since I'm copying her. (page 27)
I'd noticed soon after starting the job that whenever I got angry at the same things as everyone else, they all seemed happy. If I went along with the manager when he was annoyed or joined in the general irritation at someone else skiving off the night shift, there was a strange sense of solidarity as everyone else seemed pleased that I was angry too.
Now, too, I felt reassured by the expression on Mrs. Izumi and Sugawara's faces: Good I pulled off being a "person." (page 29)
Cut to eighteen-year-old Keiko who starts working at a brand new convenience store, Smile Mart. She is SO GOOD at this job. She greets customers, she does market analysis while walking around the neighborhood (construction means more people are going to come to the store, higher temperatures mean they'll sell less soup, etc.), she shows up, she follows instructions, she uses sound cues to figure out what's happening in the store even if she can't see it, and she uses customers' body language to figure out what they need or what they're going to do. This is Keiko's jam.
The store is short-staffed and hires an awkward, misogynistic, and lazy young man named Shiraha who is quickly fired for shirking work and stalking a customer.
Despite Keiko's satisfaction with her job, she's been at this store for eighteen years now and the social conformity to get married and/or have a full-time job is real. Since she's never been in a romantic relationship, her friends sometimes think she's gay or asexual. Her sister tries to coach her into responses for what to say when people are shocked that she's still at the convenience store, relying on an excuse that she's somehow too ill or frail to hold a "proper" job, but at a barbecue at her friend Miho's house when Keiko's seeing people she hasn't seen in quite some time, it all boils over.
"You can't go on like this, and deep down you must be getting desperate, no? Once you get past a certain age it'll be too late."
"I can't go on like this? You mean I shouldn't be living the way I am now? Why do you say that?" (page 79)
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Things I looked up:
Irasshaimase (page 2 and many more) - a formal Japanese greeting that means "Welcome" or "Please come in"
Suica (page 3) - a prepaid, contactless IC (integrated circuit) smart card for public transportation, vending machines, and shopping in Japan
casual worker (page 5) - an employee hired on an as-needed basis without a long-term contract or a guaranteed, fixed schedule
freeter (page 35) - a Japanese term for young individuals—typically aged 15 to 34—who lack full-time employment, work low-paid part-time or temporary jobs, and are not students or housewives
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Lines of note:
Also on the day shift are Iwaki, a tall and lanky university student, and job-hopper Yukishita, who's now found a proper job and will be leaving soon. (page 25)
As much as Keiko likes and as good at her job, she still doesn't consider it a "proper job." The internalized idea that her job is somehow improper is buried deep.
...I wondered how all his internal organs could fit into such a skinny body. (page 63)
My friend WKR always said this about my husband. She's a very tall lady, well over six feet, and she'd laugh and wonder how they had all the same organs!
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Questions to ponder:
1) Quote #1: I was good at mimicking the trainer's examples and the model video he'd shown us in the back room. It was the first time anyone had ever taught me how to accomplish a normal facial expression and manner of speech. (page 15)
Quote #2: The sensation that the world is slowly dying feels good. (page 39)
Quote #3: The baby started to cry. My sister hurriedly picked him and tried to soothe him. What a lot of hassle I thought. I looked at the small knife we'd used to cut the cake still lying there on the table: if it was just a matter of making him quiet, it would be easy enough. (page 57)
Is Keiko neurodivergent and/or a psychopath? Does she lack empathy, or does she just follow a logic that is different from most people? Do you feel sympathy for Keiko or do you find her unsettling?
2) There are some strange undercurrents at the store - chanting phrases before shifts start and phrases like "we existed only in the service of the convenience store," (page 47) and "I was a faithful disciple to the store" (page 63) - that spring to mind cults or religions. Do you feel like modern organizations (corporations, governments, non-profits) that hire people try to indoctrinate people into a certain belief system? Who does this benefit? Why is Keiko so susceptible to it?
3) Do you think this is last we've seen of Shihara? Seems crazy to spend so much time on a character who we won't see again.
4) What do you think is going to happen to Keiko? Do you think she's going to stay at the store?
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Homework for you:
How are you reading this book? Paperback, ebook, audiobook? Where are you reading it? If you have a photo of your book (maybe you're reading it on the beach!) you'd like to share with the rest of the group, send it in and I'll make a collage for next week. Deadline for sending it in to make next week's post is 10/24 by noon central. dominique 100 at hotmail dot com
| mbmom11 already did her homework and sent a photo of Iris LOVING the book! |
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Monday, 10/26 - Page 81- end
Monday, 11/2 - Wrap-up
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ENGIE!!! This book was my jam!!! Back when you gave us the selections, I had already read and loved I Who Have Never Known Men, and I sampled both this and The Vegetarian and neither one caught my attention so I started out indifferent to this round of CBBC. I only picked up the book because I was intrigued by a few comments other folks left about the book on your recent posts. Normally I'm pretty strict at staying with each week's assigned reading, but since I couldn't tell where the break was/since the book is so short/since I was hooked, I listened to the whole thing over the weekend. I'm planning to read The Vegetarian to complete the trilogy.
ReplyDeleteTo me this book isn't about "what's wrong with Keiko", it's about what's wrong with the world that she lives in. I don't know/care what her diagnosis is, I just love hearing her take on things. I love books where the central character is "off" and and makes her own sense of the world, and I definitely got Sky Daddy vibes.
I'm here for anything that Murata has to write, though like you say, I probably would not want to have dinner with her.
Oh, I'm so glad you like it. I mean, you don't have to like a CBBC book to have a good discussion about it, but it will make you want to come back. I bought The Vegetarian because I thought it was going to win, so I'll be reading that soon, too.
DeleteI think it's important to know what's wrong with Keiko to figure out who this world serves and who it doesn't serve. Is it not good for anyone? Women? Men? People with certain medical issues? I think there's a big question here about whether this book is truly a fictionalized memoir or if it's a satire, but I think that's a question for once the entire book has been read, you know?
I really enjoyed the first part of this book!
ReplyDeleteI definitely think Keiko is neurodivergent, but I love that she's found her place in the world. It's absolutely maddening that the rest of society (including those closest to her) looks down on her essential role. Store workers ARE essential! Why is her job considered less-than simply because it doesn't fit someone else's definition of success???
She seems so, so good at what she does. She takes great pride in knowing how to serve customers well, but I never get the sense that it's a burden. If anything, it's a relief to Keiko to finally have a plan to follow.
I suppose there are two sides to this coin. On the one hand, she's learned to suppress some of her natural instincts to fit in with society. (For example, she can't truly be herself and eat the dead bird, even though, on some level, there's nothing inherently wrong with cooking it up for her father!) But on the other hand, I appreciate how she's found a way to fit into society AND be happy. Isn't that what most of us are trying to do, in one way or another?
*Is Keiko neurodivergent and/or a psychopath? Does she lack empathy, or does she just follow a logic that is different from most people? Do you feel sympathy for Keiko or do you find her unsettling?
I think she's neurodivergent, but so often, just because something doesn't fit with cultural norms, we assume it's wrong.
Now, the whole knife + baby thing is a bit unsettling... BUT I also think there's an element of human nature at work here. Most of us have thoughts or impulses that we don't act on ALL THE TIME. Keiko just seems unusually honest (at least with herself) about how her brain processes things.
Back to the bird. I mean, I can see how that WOULD be confusing from an evolutionary standpoint. The bird is dead. It could now provide food. Why is that automatically an inappropriate response?
In a weird, tangential sort of way, isn't this a bit like organ donation? Or even the ending of The Grapes of Wrath? We attach all sorts of cultural and emotional significance to bodies and bodily functions, but Keiko seems to approach things from a purely practical perspective.
(Have I had too many cups of coffee this morning?? I think so.)
*Do you think this is the last we've seen of Shiraha?** Yes. Sigh. I really don't like Shiraha. I know we're not supposed to, but ugh.
I just want the whole book to focus on Keiko doing what she does so well and ignore any dramatic tension.
I want her to be estranged from the friends and family who don't seem to appreciate or understand her, and I want her to go ALL IN at the store.
Then again... maybe she's brainwashed and robotic and isn't actually enjoying her life?
But I think she is! I genuinely think she's happy. I think the only reason she has any doubts about her life is because other people keep planting those doubts in her mind.
Which raises an interesting question: Is Keiko actually the one who needs to change, or is everyone else simply uncomfortable with the fact that she's content with a life they wouldn't choose for themselves?
*What do you think is going to happen to Keiko? Do you think she's going to stay at the store?
I hope so! I just want Keiko to be allowed to be Keiko. And if that means spending her life happily working at a convenience store, I say MORE POWER TO HER.
I really loved those scenes when we saw how good Keiko is at her job. And I don't know if she's happy, but she does seem happy with her job. Like, she'd be a happy person if other people would stop judging her for what she's doing! I think the question of her happiness is central. The only place she really seems happy is at work.
DeleteThe dead bird thing reminded me of when I was young and truly didn't understand why we regularly eat cows, but not horses. My parents really did have to deal with a lot, didn't they? I mean, it's confusing. Why is eating meat of one animal taboo and not another?
OKAY. I really loved this book (like Birchie, I read the whole thing). Yes, my first thought is that Keiko is on the spectrum. But I don't really feel like the book is about that, exactly. I'm not on the spectrum, but had a lot of trouble feeling like I "fit in" while growing up, and I think a lot of people feel the same way. I remember thinking how easily other people seemed to talk to one another, and how it seemed like they mysteriously knew how to behave "normally." And I would try to copy people so I could be normal too.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Birchie, this book is more about what's wrong with the world. Yes, she has some unusual thoughts. But, let's look at the bird incident from her childhood- people eat birds. Why is it okay to eat a dead bird that you bought from the store, but not a dead bird from the park? Why does everyone decide that one thing is okay, but the other thing isn't? Okay, it's a little alarming that she had the thought about the knife and the baby. But we all have strange thoughts sometimes- she wasn't going to act on it. To answer your question- I definitely have a lot of sympathy for Keiko.
i can't answer the last two questions because I already know how this book turns out! I can't wait to hear what everyone else thinks so far.
I think we all copy other people to some extent, but it's pretty extreme in Keiko's case. I think she's really figured out ways to cope, but I wonder if it's at the cost of really figuring out her own likes and interests. I mean, maybe she truly doesn't care about fashion or makeup and THAT'S FINE, but what else is she just ceding to other people?
DeleteI do wonder if the thinking about the baby and the knife thing is like how a lot of people thinking about driving off bridge or swerving into traffic - the call of the void thing. It's not intentional, but it is human nature, as you say.
Keiko is unknowingly shocking and incredibly smart. She doesn't naturally fit in by society's standards and is constantly watching, paying attention in order to do that and manages to pull it off. She's gone from grabbing a spade and whacking a kid over the head to stop an argument (one of the funniest lines in the book to me) to learning to mimic the words and facial expressions of coworkers in order to get along.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was the author's intention to write Keiki as neurodivergent, although I feel she would be classified that by teachers and coworkers. I believe the author is putting a spotlight on the way society has expectations, particularly for women, that they should follow a rigid, well-maintained path. The way the author highlights the constant scrutiny of her friends regarding her personal life - her lack of career, has she or hasn't she been with a man/woman - is it any wonder she doubts herself?
I'm glad Keiki is close to her sister and that she has helped guide her and offer solutions when dealing with difficult interactions. I think we all need an ally in this world and I hope the relationship with her sister continues to be a supportive one for her.
Do you think she's smart? That's interesting. What makes you think that? She seems remarkably uncurious to me. Like, she doesn't really care why other people like things, but she's just copying them. I think that's a great coping strategy, but she doesn't seem to really think about WHY people act or believe things.
DeleteYES! The way her "support system" acts, it's no wonder that she's so unsure of herself. Why isn't her job enough? If I heard over and over again that I was no good without a full-time job/a relationship/a house/a baby, etc., it would definitely get into my head. Just the fact that Japanese has this word "freeter" is interesting, isn't it?
I've been struggling with the idea of Keiko's neurodivergence and if it should be called out or not. Is it important to label why she looks at the world in an unconventional way? Is acknowledging that she is neurodivergent informative and useful to understanding the narrative?
ReplyDeleteIf a post partum mother had the same thought about the knife and the baby, she would be immediately given help and support and therapy and probably medication (well we would hope, but given the recent news, maybe not...) . So maybe it is important to understand what is going on chemically with someone's brain.
2 - My husband sometimes thinks my work is cult-like. I think a company wants it's workers to have a communal mindset because then their workers are more predictable. It's like a machine. But also - as a worker, you want to believe in what you are doing - if you are going to spend so much time at work, you want to feel like you are part of something worthwhile.
I do think that Japanese culture values conformity and the whole over the individual to a very high degree. Life is highly designed for its people and there are boxes people are expected to fit into. I'm sure there is a ton of research as to wherefores and what nots of that super organized mindset.
This might also explain why they excel at producing stationary and planners....
I'm not going to answer 3 or 4 because I've read ahead - the lack of chapters is not conducive to reading a bit at a time!
I definitely think it's important to know what is going on because if it's something that is fairly common (like neurodivergence) and society doesn't work in some way for people in that group, how can we, as a caring society, make thing better?
DeleteI definitely think of my work as cult-like. There are mascots and colors and the guy in charge likes us to say chants. Honestly, sometimes it creeps me out. I do believe in what I'm doing, but I don't necessarily believe in what the guy in charge believes we're doing.
Next time I'm going to be sure a book has chapters before I suggest it. It never even occurred to me that it wouldn't have chapters and I'm sure I never even thought about it when I was reading it before.
ReplyDeleteI do find Keiko unsettling but also feel sympathy. At one point (maybe the knife/baby thought)it did cross my mind that she is a psychopath. But I don’t really think so, maybe neurodivergent. I have sympathy because I know the feeling of wishing to fit in. When I started school in the US my parents were British and I had never been around kids my age. I was so different and, like Keiko, I observed everything like clothes, food, speech of the other kids very closely to learn to fit in.
I have a feeling Shihara will return but I hope not. And I really hope Keiko can find better friends. The barbecue had me so pissed off at the friends’ husbands especially but the wives were not nice to her either. And Keiko just takes away from that that she needs to “be fixed” rather than realizing that they were just being assholes.
4) What do you think is going to happen to Keiko? Do you think she's going to stay at the store?
We all need better friends than Keiko. Sheesh. She's happy doing it and isn't worried about what it means for her future - let her do it! Egads. Poor Keiko. I have a lot of sympathy for her, but I also find her frustrating because it doesn't seem like she's trying to figure out why other people want all these things for her. She's just frustrated with them (which - fair enough).
DeleteOh that comment is mine ^ - Dulcie -
ReplyDeleteYay for a kitty and the book! I still haven't gotten my copy from Libby, so I guess I'm out of this session. But I will definitely check back in with all the posts when I finally get to listen to it!
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, I did not enjoy this book to start and almost DNF. However, I tried again and started to really feel for Keiko.
ReplyDeleteWhy doesn't someone just explain to her that some birds are for eating and random dead things are not appropriate food? Just explain hitting people isn't a proper way of stopping a fight? ( although highly effective). No one bothers to explain things to her. Pulling down pants is a comedic tool used in movies, not for real life ( unless you're in a junior high boys locker room).
She navigates this by watching and staying quiet. Definitely a smart person - she figures out how to mask her different sort of mind.
Why can't anybody value her and not try to fix her? That's why the convenience store job is perfect- rules are explained, there is a sense of order and patterns.
I think the nephew /knife thing was just her brain going through logical alternatives. If she can listen to Shahira blather on about stone age and think about if there's any truth in his BS, she likes to think through things.
I have a kid who is a bit on the outside of life, so this story hit hard. Why can't people be straightforward and clear instead of making assumptions.
And if Japan really is so socially obsessed with marriage, good jobs, fitting in, I would not find it a comfortable place. Honestly, I wanted to yell at all these shallow friends.
I read the whole book ( this book is like a dark chocolate truffle- small, rich, bitter, and satisfying - couldn't read just part of it once I got into it.
I had a bit of trouble getting into this book, but once I got in I’m all in. There are small phrases that are so striking. I feel for Keiko, trying her best to fit in. She doesn’t understand people, but she wants them to be satisfied with her. She is good at her job and takes a lot of satisfaction in it.
ReplyDeleteHer intrusive thoughts are interesting. The knife and the baby thought might come to any of us, and none of us (I hope) would act on it, but if I had that thought I would be a little horrified, and I don’t think she is at all. She knows not to say it, but I didn’t get the feeling she horrified herself.
Side tangent, you know the theory that any decision/thought we have triggers a new universe? So if I think about stabbing a crying baby, even briefly, in one universe I do so? I hate that theory. I hate to think that there are universes out there triggered by these disturbing passing thoughts. I hate to think that there are worlds where one could be a perfectly lovely person, and others where one could be a monster, and the only difference is whether we had that passing thought.
Her friends suck. I’m glad she has her sister, and that her parents are loving and want to help her, though that seems to mean ‘fixing’ her. Does she need fixing? I don’t really think so, at least not yet.